Is this what people are doing these days? haha

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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.
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I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.
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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.

I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.

Yet, nonthing of this makes any difference in reality.

You just want to have higher exit barriers to make it less likely that the other person leaves. That's all that marriage and other social relationship constructs are.

In the end however nothing of this matter and when someone meets someone else who is a better match they will always leaves.
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Yeah ofcours they will.

But there are ways of being in this world, where maybe if you really really hurt someone, you apologize, you think about your actions and the consequences.

But that's just me. I was in a situation like this and it was horrible.
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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.

I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.

Yet, nonthing of this makes any difference in reality.

You just want to have higher exit barriers to make it less likely that the other person leaves. That's all that marriage and other social relationship constructs are.

In the end however nothing of this matter and when someone meets someone else who is a better match they will always leaves.

Yeah ofcours they will.

But there are ways of being in this world, where maybe if you really really hurt someone, you apologize, you think about your actions and the consequences.

But that's just me. I was in a situation like this and it was horrible.

What exactly is your point here?

You have the same thing in this kind of relationship and have an equal chance of having this kind of thoughtfulness lacking in a classic relationship.

The risk remains the same as it comes to the people involved while the label itself adds little nothing to it.

The same guy who would use this label as excuse for shitty behaviour would fuck you over in marriage as well. The offcial reason would simply be a different one.
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I just thought in a real relationship or marriage you would some kind of integrity and loyalt and care towards each other.

But if everything is the same, then what's the point anyway...

All I'm saying is I tried it and didn't like it. It was a constant telling me, that I was good enough to fuck but not good enough to be loyal to. That's a personal issue if mine, and so it goes, that probably everything here is just a matter of personal experience and opinion.
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WTH is this phenomena of people saying "We are both exclusive, but not in a full-on relationship".... what does that even mean?!

That seems backwards as hell.


One person is involved and the other person is not

I think this labeling things arised from the dating/online dating culture, when you date multiple people and you have to define it somehow or you are long-term friends who had a drunken night and now one of them expects more

it seems that this is an american thing of dating and is slowly progressing into the language to the other continents as well (like the FWB thing)

and it seems it has several levels:

1. fuck-buddies

2. FWB

3. dating

4. exclusive dating

5. relationship/girlfriend-boyfriend thing

I am not fan of the telling downright to the other person they are just your bootycall/fuck-thing..... I mean some people think its honest, I think its just rude.... like adding insult to injury 🙂

and anyways, so many people try to act like machos (males and females as well) and tell these things just to a) protect themselves b) to say it first before the other can say it c) out of spite..d) etc....

so more like labeling and insulting the other, observing is a good thing, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck....... then believe it. If it announces I am a duck - I question the motivation and not the feelings towards me

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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.

I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.

Yet, nonthing of this makes any difference in reality.

You just want to have higher exit barriers to make it less likely that the other person leaves. That's all that marriage and other social relationship constructs are.

In the end however nothing of this matter and when someone meets someone else who is a better match they will always leaves.

Yeah ofcours they will.

But there are ways of being in this world, where maybe if you really really hurt someone, you apologize, you think about your actions and the consequences.

But that's just me. I was in a situation like this and it was horrible.

What exactly is your point here?

You have the same thing in this kind of relationship and have an equal chance of having this kind of thoughtfulness lacking in a classic relationship.

The risk remains the same as it comes to the people involved while the label itself adds little nothing to it.

The same guy who would use this label as excuse for shitty behaviour would fuck you over in marriage as well. The offcial reason would simply be a different one.

I just thought in a real relationship or marriage you would some kind of integrity and loyalt and care towards each other.

But if everything is the same, then what's the point anyway...

All I'm saying is I tried it and didn't like it. It was a constant telling me, that I was good enough to fuck but not good enough to be loyal to. That's a personal issue if mine, and so it goes, that probably everything here is just a matter of personal experience and opinion.

AKA: security.

A security that is an illlusion and that can, at best, be enforced scoially but even that is falling apart the less marriage for social groups. Even what little social pressure there is usually is already there once people become more intertwined deeper in their relationship and people know about it.

You personal problems will remain regardless of what the label or the structure of your relationship is. Yes, it might trigger you more easily and potentially harder but chances are that the same would eventually happen in your "dream relationships status" anyway. If you know something doesn't work for you, that is completly fine and you have every reason to stay away from such settings but that doesn't necessarily mean that the thing itself is a problem.
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Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Just like your view on this is based upon what you want and have experienced in your life.

But still there should be a difference in what it means to be in all these labels, otherwise why have them? There is nothing wrong with wanting some kind of security pr to know, that the person you live with, spend your life with, have kids with, actually cares for you and will think twice before just up and leave, especially if you live this intertwined life where you actually can't just up and leave.

I'm merely answering the topic question, because I have actually been in that situation. And it just means you fuck, but that's pretty much it.
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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.

I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.

Yet, nonthing of this makes any difference in reality.

You just want to have higher exit barriers to make it less likely that the other person leaves. That's all that marriage and other social relationship constructs are.

In the end however nothing of this matter and when someone meets someone else who is a better match they will always leaves.

Yeah ofcours they will.

But there are ways of being in this world, where maybe if you really really hurt someone, you apologize, you think about your actions and the consequences.

But that's just me. I was in a situation like this and it was horrible.

What exactly is your point here?

You have the same thing in this kind of relationship and have an equal chance of having this kind of thoughtfulness lacking in a classic relationship.

The risk remains the same as it comes to the people involved while the label itself adds little nothing to it.

The same guy who would use this label as excuse for shitty behaviour would fuck you over in marriage as well. The offcial reason would simply be a different one.

I just thought in a real relationship or marriage you would some kind of integrity and loyalt and care towards each other.

But if everything is the same, then what's the point anyway...

All I'm saying is I tried it and didn't like it. It was a constant telling me, that I was good enough to fuck but not good enough to be loyal to. That's a personal issue if mine, and so it goes, that probably everything here is just a matter of personal experience and opinion.

AKA: security.

A security that is an illlusion and that can, at best, be enforced scoially but even that is falling apart the less marriage for social groups. Even what little social pressure there is usually is already there once people become more intertwined deeper in their relationship and people know about it.

You personal problems will remain regardless of what the label or the structure of your relationship is. Yes, it might trigger you more easily and potentially harder but chances are that the same would eventually happen in your "dream relationships status" anyway. If you know something doesn't work for you, that is completly fine and you have every reason to stay away from such settings but that doesn't necessarily mean that the thing itself is a problem.

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Just like your view on this is based upon what you want and have experienced in your life.

But still there should be a difference in what it means to be in all these labels, otherwise why have them? There is nothing wrong with wanting some kind of security pr to know, that the person you live with, spend your life with, have kids with, actually cares for you and will think twice before just up and leave, especially if you live this intertwined life where you actually can't just up and leave.

I'm merely answering the topic question, because I have actually been in that situation. And it just means you fuck, but that's pretty much it.

Nothing wrong with wanting it. It just doesn't exist and no label in the world will change that.

This is something that exists outside of personal experiences and biases.
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I' confused, what doesn't exist?

For sure people who get into relationships and marriages must be under the impression, that there is something more between them than just fucking, which mean also some care and loyalty, since they decide to get into a relationship or marriage and spend their entire life together. That's why there are different labels.

Is there ever a guarentee? Never. But for sure some people you count on more than others. Just like someone you know VS. A close friend.
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Posted by heliumfiasco

WTH is this phenomena of people saying "We are both exclusive, but not in a full-on relationship".... what does that even mean?!

That seems backwards as hell.


We did this at the beginning. Mostly cause your still in the dating phase but agree that you want to exclusively date and fuck each other so you can focus on what the 2 of you have. While at the same time your still getting to know each other so neither of us was ready for a full on relationship titles.

That being said its weird to be in this 'exclusive' phase for more than 3 months imo. For us this 'exclusive' period lasted like 2 weeks before he locked it down.

Either you know you want to pursue a relationship, or you don't. And at that point you make a decision and move forward.

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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.

I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.

Yet, nonthing of this makes any difference in reality.

You just want to have higher exit barriers to make it less likely that the other person leaves. That's all that marriage and other social relationship constructs are.

In the end however nothing of this matter and when someone meets someone else who is a better match they will always leaves.

Yeah ofcours they will.

But there are ways of being in this world, where maybe if you really really hurt someone, you apologize, you think about your actions and the consequences.

But that's just me. I was in a situation like this and it was horrible.

What exactly is your point here?

You have the same thing in this kind of relationship and have an equal chance of having this kind of thoughtfulness lacking in a classic relationship.

The risk remains the same as it comes to the people involved while the label itself adds little nothing to it.

The same guy who would use this label as excuse for shitty behaviour would fuck you over in marriage as well. The offcial reason would simply be a different one.

I just thought in a real relationship or marriage you would some kind of integrity and loyalt and care towards each other.

But if everything is the same, then what's the point anyway...

All I'm saying is I tried it and didn't like it. It was a constant telling me, that I was good enough to fuck but not good enough to be loyal to. That's a personal issue if mine, and so it goes, that probably everything here is just a matter of personal experience and opinion.

AKA: security.

A security that is an illlusion and that can, at best, be enforced scoially but even that is falling apart the less marriage for social groups. Even what little social pressure there is usually is already there once people become more intertwined deeper in their relationship and people know about it.

You personal problems will remain regardless of what the label or the structure of your relationship is. Yes, it might trigger you more easily and potentially harder but chances are that the same would eventually happen in your "dream relationships status" anyway. If you know something doesn't work for you, that is completly fine and you have every reason to stay away from such settings but that doesn't necessarily mean that the thing itself is a problem.

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Just like your view on this is based upon what you want and have experienced in your life.

But still there should be a difference in what it means to be in all these labels, otherwise why have them? There is nothing wrong with wanting some kind of security pr to know, that the person you live with, spend your life with, have kids with, actually cares for you and will think twice before just up and leave, especially if you live this intertwined life where you actually can't just up and leave.

I'm merely answering the topic question, because I have actually been in that situation. And it just means you fuck, but that's pretty much it.

Nothing wrong with wanting it. It just doesn't exist and no label in the world will change that.

This is something that exists outside of personal experiences and biases.

I' confused, what doesn't exist?

For sure people who get into relationships and marriages must be under the impression, that there is something more between them than just fucking, which mean also some care and loyalty, since they decide to get into a relationship or marriage and spend their entire life together. That's why there are different labels.

Is there ever a guarentee? Never. But for sure some people you count on more than others. Just like someone you know VS. A close friend.

The security doesn't exist.

People who join that kind of label most likely already had everything they have prior to adding the label. They are adding the label because they already have that level of trust and commitment.

You can have all the care and tenderness without the label therefore the label isn't linked to it.

The people you count on more you count on more because they usually have proven themselves in a way or gave you the impression that they are responsible people and not just on the basis of a fancy title.
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Yes.

And then saying: I will exclusively dick you, but I don't want to be in a relationship with you, to me, is a direct expression of no loyalty and trust, whereas wanting to be in a relationship or marriage whatever is an act of trust. And in that sende there should be a feeling of more loyalty and assurement than just saying, you want to fuck exclusively.

I know there are no guarantees. Ever. But there is still a huge difference to me.
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Its funny to me so many of you are so opposed to this.

Its possible to be dating someone and wanting to fuck them within the first few weeks while not being sure of whether there is enough compatibility for a long term relationship.

I'd refuse to fuck someone I'm seeing unless we both get tested and sexual exclusivity is on the table. 9 times outta 10 I'm also the one who breaks it off cause I don't see a future there or I'm wanting to pursue a connection with someone else.
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I read it as:

"I'm no longer fucking around but still not sure on the 100% relationship thing."

If it means this I'd say it's a good thing because it is honest.

But it also means: if I meet somebody else, you don't have the right to be upset pr sad or angry, because we were never in a relationship.

That's always the case anyway.

I would think there would at least be an understanding if one person feels sad, that the other person has met someone else, while in a relationship. And also more thought behind it morally and so, that if you have pfomised each other loyalty, you give it an extra thought.

That's not the case with this. It's more like you only fuck each other, so you don't get sickness involved. Basically it's just fuck buddies in nice words so that people want to do it.

Yet, nonthing of this makes any difference in reality.

You just want to have higher exit barriers to make it less likely that the other person leaves. That's all that marriage and other social relationship constructs are.

In the end however nothing of this matter and when someone meets someone else who is a better match they will always leaves.

Yeah ofcours they will.

But there are ways of being in this world, where maybe if you really really hurt someone, you apologize, you think about your actions and the consequences.

But that's just me. I was in a situation like this and it was horrible.

What exactly is your point here?

You have the same thing in this kind of relationship and have an equal chance of having this kind of thoughtfulness lacking in a classic relationship.

The risk remains the same as it comes to the people involved while the label itself adds little nothing to it.

The same guy who would use this label as excuse for shitty behaviour would fuck you over in marriage as well. The offcial reason would simply be a different one.

I just thought in a real relationship or marriage you would some kind of integrity and loyalt and care towards each other.

But if everything is the same, then what's the point anyway...

All I'm saying is I tried it and didn't like it. It was a constant telling me, that I was good enough to fuck but not good enough to be loyal to. That's a personal issue if mine, and so it goes, that probably everything here is just a matter of personal experience and opinion.

AKA: security.

A security that is an illlusion and that can, at best, be enforced scoially but even that is falling apart the less marriage for social groups. Even what little social pressure there is usually is already there once people become more intertwined deeper in their relationship and people know about it.

You personal problems will remain regardless of what the label or the structure of your relationship is. Yes, it might trigger you more easily and potentially harder but chances are that the same would eventually happen in your "dream relationships status" anyway. If you know something doesn't work for you, that is completly fine and you have every reason to stay away from such settings but that doesn't necessarily mean that the thing itself is a problem.

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Just like your view on this is based upon what you want and have experienced in your life.

But still there should be a difference in what it means to be in all these labels, otherwise why have them? There is nothing wrong with wanting some kind of security pr to know, that the person you live with, spend your life with, have kids with, actually cares for you and will think twice before just up and leave, especially if you live this intertwined life where you actually can't just up and leave.

I'm merely answering the topic question, because I have actually been in that situation. And it just means you fuck, but that's pretty much it.

Nothing wrong with wanting it. It just doesn't exist and no label in the world will change that.

This is something that exists outside of personal experiences and biases.

I' confused, what doesn't exist?

For sure people who get into relationships and marriages must be under the impression, that there is something more between them than just fucking, which mean also some care and loyalty, since they decide to get into a relationship or marriage and spend their entire life together. That's why there are different labels.

Is there ever a guarentee? Never. But for sure some people you count on more than others. Just like someone you know VS. A close friend.

The security doesn't exist.

People who join that kind of label most likely already had everything they have prior to adding the label. They are adding the label because they already have that level of trust and commitment.

You can have all the care and tenderness without the label therefore the label isn't linked to it.

The people you count on more you count on more because they usually have proven themselves in a way or gave you the impression that they are responsible people and not just on the basis of a fancy title.

Yes.

And then saying: I will exclusively dick you, but I don't want to be in a relationship with you, to me, is a direct expression of no loyalty and trust, whereas wanting to be in a relationship or marriage whatever is an act of trust. And in that sende there should be a feeling of more loyalty and assurement than just saying, you want to fuck exclusively.

I know there are no guarantees. Ever. But there is still a huge difference to me.

That's you interpretation and as long as you didn't ask for any specific of what this entails for him/her/x you have no logical reason to jump to those conclusions. Yes, you could now say that given the common understanding of relationships it is up to him to deliver specifics but that's not a strong argument since you could still just ask him if you want to know those.

If you want to make this about trust I can easily turn it around and say: Hey, maybe he trusts and cares about you as a person enough to be completly honest with you and his insecurities he has about a potential relationship. Not every lack of trust or faith into a relationship has to do with you.

So, AGAIN, if you or anyone else who wants to know what exactly is going on in such situation it is best to just ask the other person instead of jumping to conclusions just because someone is hesitant to put a label on something or voicing doubts/insecurities.
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What do you mean jumping to conclusions? I was in a situation like that and that is what it meant. That's what I am basing my statement off. I did talk, I did all of that, nd now this is my answer to the topic question. It just means you fuck each other, but not really much else.

As far as my personal understanding goes, being in a relationship or marriage would mean something more, otherwise, again, there would be no reason to be or not be in one. Then none of that would matter.

That's my opinion nd experience, you have yours. I don't think we can agree more than we already have ro discuss any fuether, 'cause we both just keep repeating ourselves now ☺️
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You Americans can be so damn weird...

It's the throwaway culture of our younger generations. They show their own cell phones more consideration.

Choose a better metaphor cause millennials replace their phones each time the newest model comes out.

Sure, just as long as the cell phone is useful to you or you continue to owe money on it. That just simply means you're invested temporarily. As soon as you feel like getting rid of it however, zero fucks given. I see people going bananas over cracking their phone screen more than what they do to fellow humans. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Now replace 'phone' with 'person.'
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Who owns a cellphone outright nowadays? This is the era of convenience and throwaway culture. You pay a monthly fee to basically 'rent' the phone and get an automatic upgrade each year.
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Its funny to me so many of you are so opposed to this.

Its possible to be dating someone and wanting to fuck them within the first few weeks while not being sure of whether there is enough compatibility for a long term relationship.

I'd refuse to fuck someone I'm seeing unless we both get tested and sexual exclusivity is on the table. 9 times outta 10 I'm also the one who breaks it off cause I don't see a future there or I'm wanting to pursue a connection with someone else.

If i got this right the person who suggests it actually has zero intentions to ever be in a rl with the person, while putting the other person in some false exclusivity security.
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I didn't get that from the op...

Where was it stated what the persons intentions are tho.