Enfant-Terrible-II
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Posted by Ixi
Speaking of fishing...what fish are you hoping to catch with this thread?
Throw some light on and hopefully further my knowledge on gender-dysmorphia reality detachment.. Any insight?
I am shy Asian girl
What would be your reaction to someone witholding info about their sex, assuming you're straight and prowling for romance? Isn't that kinda next level craycray? @Ixi
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Enfant-Terrible-II
What would be your reaction to someone witholding info about their sex, assuming you're straight and prowling for romance? Isn't that kinda next level craycray? @Ixi
I think men who sleep with these women and then feel ashamed of their sexuality in turn killing them are next level craycay
This happens alot.click to expand
You're deflecting. Yes I can imagine that happens but as it turns out I didn't kill this person. I'm talking about what goes on in the minds of these individuals?
Also, the irony is that gender identity is so important to them and we should all sympathize with that... but we can't sympathize even a bit with a person who is decieved in a manner you described and end up losing their shit, in the manner you described - cuz guess what, their gender ID is important to them too.
I saw a similar scenario unfold on a Snapchat mini tv episode. I think it’s very uncomfortable for them to share this information because they know many people will turn them down. They do want to tell you, just one of the hardest things for them to do.
Posted by CoffeeAndCream
I got your point, but generally it's not men who didn't know who kill these individuals but people who do know.
I misunderstood you - yeah that's craycray too, the self deception.
Posted by pinkbird03
I saw a similar scenario unfold on a Snapchat mini tv episode. I think it’s very uncomfortable for them to share this information because they know many people will turn them down. They do want to tell you, just one of the hardest things for them to do.
Of course I will turn them down if I've already stated my sexual orientation in my profile. That's why I wonder how they can operate on such deep level of self deception.. Am I suppose to sympathize here?
I mean we're not talking about lying of your marital status or your place of work, we're talking about whether or not you're a man or woman.
And I'm not buying into that other stuff either. I'm not their father or best friend they need to do a gender-reveal to.. At that point I'm a stranger whose feelings they shouldn't give two fucks about.
Posted by CoffeeAndCream
Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
It’s deception...
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
Posted by Ixi
1. You had a perfectly good trans-woman there whom you could have spoken to about it, had a video-chat or something to dive into the nitty-gritty details of her gender-identity if you weren't being transphobic and really truly cared.
2. And to be clear I don't personally consider you transphobic for refusing to date her. What is transphobic (to me at least) are the insinuations of your thread that most Trans people (or even a large number of them) are out to trick/catfish/deceive or otherwise pull the wool over the eyes of cis-gendered people. The vast majority of Trans-women and the very few trans-men that I know make no such attempts, because as you said their identity is important to them, and also cis-gendered men have with increasing evidence, been known to be violent towards trans people... It's safer for them to be upfront, although they don't necessarily have to self-disclose.
3. Beyond that ...there is no rule that says that straight men cannot be hit on by trans-women as such there was no violation or attempt at deception in her presenting as a woman to you, it is her identity, if you don't agree with that, that is transphobic.
4. Going even further, the moment you implied she was anything else other than what she expressed her gender as that was also transphobic (beyond just being rude).
5. She is a woman by all accounts even if you weren't attracted to her or "felt" that she wasn't a woman by your standards.
1. She deleted me because she felt I was being disrespectful because she can't control my mind and get me to see her the way I see CIS women. Really, if that isn't delusional and crazy I dunno what is. I definitely would have kept the conversation going had she wanted, but like i said she deleted me.
And where is the respect for me exactly? If I'm straight and clearly interested in women, is it respectful to decieve me into thinking I'm talking to a CIS woman when u still even have your dick intact? I don't mind her trying the waters, it's fair to check if I may be interested, but don't try to fuck me before you fuck me.
2. That has been my limited experience, mostly in SJW circle-jerks where there are "infinite galaxies of genders". But I can appreciate you have your own real life experiences.
3. So when exactly am I suppose to learn she's not a CIS woman? Are we gonna pretend it's of little significance? There certainly WAS attempt at deception. Why? is my question. What's the point?
4. Then transphobic is just a hollow word, like racism and at this point in history I'd gladly sign under both. Look, bottom line is.. I said I'd address him as "she" if that's what he wants... but that he will never be a CIS woman in my eyes. That's just being honest. That's how I feel. I can't unfeel that CIS women are the only real women in my eyes. How can that be transphobic? Their lobbyist are already butchering confused kids, they have to control our feelings too now?
How do you yourself FEEL? Putting your bs aside.. if u meet a trans woman that was born male, could you date her, fuck her, consider serious relationship with her? If no, then how are u less transphobic? You are basically just using different words to describe the same feelings.
I know,I know.. you're a cool cat you'd probably take her for a platonic night out and talk about her struggle.
5. Nope. What gives her definition of gender precedence over mine, which btw is closely linked to the biological one. Aside from the respect I can CHOOSE to excercise in my interaction with her, I am not in any way obliged to address or see her as a woman. I am entitled to my own feelings. The idea that I have to stress that part says everything about the opressive times we live in.
Also "she" still had her dick intact, no treatments or anything, so there's that too.
Posted by MyStarsShine
It’s deception...
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
Thaaaank you !
Meanwhile Ixi is on a tangent about how a man posing as a woman and that person's definition of what a woman is, somehow overrides my personal feelings and preferences regarding genders bc I should now start sucking dicks so no one gets offended.
Posted by IxiPosted by MyStarsShine
It’s deception...
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
It isn't deception and not all trans-men are not packing something, Metoidioplasty is a thing although it is not the most common at present.
Anyway, the same thing said to the OP is said to you. The issue isn't that they are lying about who they are... it's that you seemingly feel they shouldn't even have the right to speak to you because you don't consider them to be men, although their gender identity is male.click to expand
Thats not the point if i’m looking for a lover with a penis
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by MyStarsShine
It’s deception...
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
Thaaaank you !
Meanwhile Ixi is on a tangent about how a man posing as a woman and that person's definition of what a woman is, somehow overrides my personal feelings and preferences regarding genders bc I should now start sucking dicks so no one gets offended.click to expand
Lol
Posted by Ixi
I think the issue here is that you won't accept the idea that Trans women are women. Because of that you view their attempts to court you as being deceptive.
What fuels that belief, that trans-persons, trans-women in particular, are lying somehow to you?
Have you even read my first post?
Posted by IxiPosted by MyStarsShine
It’s deception...
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
It isn't deception and not all trans-men are not packing something, Metoidioplasty is a thing although it is not the most common at present.
Anyway, the same thing said to the OP is said to you. The issue isn't that they are lying about who they are... it's that you seemingly feel they shouldn't even have the right to speak to you because you don't consider them to be men, although their gender identity is male.click to expand
Nowhere did I even hint they aren't allowed to speak to me. This really speaks volumes of your comprehension skills and how deep in your own shit you are.
If I'm on Tinder or a dating site and I'm a straight male, who do u think I'm looking to engage with?? If you're trans and u want to ask if I'm cool with that romantically/sexually, you're welcome to do so. But this person was intentionally witholding that info, and that's disrespectful and deceptive IF YOU ARE ON A DATING SITE TRYIN TO HOOK UP WITH A STRAIGHT MALE.
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by CoffeeAndCream
Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
Cancre left you finally.
Good for her.click to expand
??
Posted by IxiPosted by MyStarsShinePosted by IxiPosted by MyStarsShine
It’s deception...
If I’m looking for a man with a penis and I’d clearly stated that, I’d be very pissed off if someone with a vagina carried on talking to me .... the same as if a man told me he wasn’t married when he was
Just be honest with people
It isn't deception and not all trans-men are not packing something, Metoidioplasty is a thing although it is not the most common at present.
Anyway, the same thing said to the OP is said to you. The issue isn't that they are lying about who they are... it's that you seemingly feel they shouldn't even have the right to speak to you because you don't consider them to be men, although their gender identity is male.
Thats not the point if i’m looking for a lover with a penis
And? That is fine. You can look for a lover with a penis, a naturally occurring penis, no one will fault you for that. You're getting called out for you implying that Trans people attempt to deceive others not on your desire for a dick.click to expand
If they’re upfront about having a penis or vagina i’m good, if they’re not, i’m not good...
Posted by Ixi
You're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings. And I think it is you who may be forgetting that. I explained already how it
What are these facts? That there are "infinite galaxies of genders"? Ok then my gender is a golden rhino and I expect u to address & view me as such !
You may have explained it but it makes absolute 0 sense.
Posted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by Ixi
You're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings. And I think it is you who may be forgetting that. I explained already how it
What are these facts? That there are "infinite galaxies of genders"? Ok then my gender is a golden rhino and I expect u to address & view me as such !
You may have explained it but it makes absolute 0 sense.click to expand
Yes as long as you admit to having the horn
Lol 😂
Posted by Ixi
You're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.click to expand
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.click to expand
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?click to expand
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
Yes, you are a man attracted to women...that makes you straight. What you being straight doesn't do however is change the other person's sexual orientation, or gender identity.
That’s not his issue .... being upfront with other people is if I’m not mistaken ...
That’s not his issue .... being upfront with other people is if I’m not mistaken ...
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?click to expand
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?click to expand
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
Non-binary literally means they don't associate with either gender. You insisting that people fit into a mold to make you feel comfy is just further evidence of your entitlement and privilege.
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
I have answered your question earlier in the thread, just not directly to you.
I've already stated that they are not Cis-gendered women.
But your saying they are men, they are not. That premise would be incorrect once they are out and have transitioned their gender expression.click to expand
They are not men. They are transwomen. Or female presenting males.
They are not women.
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
I have answered your question earlier in the thread, just not directly to you.
I've already stated that they are not Cis-gendered women.
But your saying they are men, they are not. That premise would be incorrect once they are out and have transitioned their gender expression.
They are not men. They are transwomen. Or female presenting males.
They are not women.
Oki doke. We disagree.click to expand
It goes back to this
"You're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings."
Posted by Moon_River
Personally I would. But I also have empathy. It’s not like the dude wouldn’t find out once they did get intimate so the right thing to do would be to tell.
I guess it might have been a terrifying situation for them.
Still doesn’t excuse them getting beaten or murdered.
This was online tho so I don’t think that was the scenario.
You have empathy ? i thought that was a myth.
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebPosted by IxiPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by CoffeeAndCream
Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
I think the issue here is that you won't accept the idea that Trans women are women. Because of that you view their attempts to court you as being deceptive.
What fuels that belief, that trans-persons, trans-women in particular, are lying somehow to you?
As a biologically born female, why should I allow someone to call me cis gendered woman, just because they feel like changing it to make a group of people feel better about themselves?
Why are they allowed to change the name of their gender but I'm not allowed to keep my original one?
All cis means is that your gender fits the assigned sex at birth. Is that incorrect for you?
No it's not, all I know is I'm a woman, and I don't wanna be called cis gender because someone else wants to change that so it can fit them.
Do you know what “cis” means? That little bit just means “same as assigned” essentially.
Language is in a constant state of evolution, it doesn’t exist for your feelings, it exists for description and communication of ideas.click to expand
You aren't "assigned" anything. Unless you are intersex, then you are clearly either male or female at birth (and even before birth).
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by einspiscesPosted by Moon_River
Personally I would. But I also have empathy. It’s not like the dude wouldn’t find out once they did get intimate so the right thing to do would be to tell.
I guess it might have been a terrifying situation for them.
Still doesn’t excuse them getting beaten or murdered.
This was online tho so I don’t think that was the scenario.
You have empathy ? i thought that was a myth.
Oh lord. I summoned him. 😂click to expand
Actually you forgot the phentagram but oh well, here i come.
Posted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiPosted by jeanePosted by IxiYou're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings.
And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
I have answered your question earlier in the thread, just not directly to you.
I've already stated that they are not Cis-gendered women.
But your saying they are men, they are not. That premise would be incorrect once they are out and have transitioned their gender expression.
They are not men. They are transwomen. Or female presenting males.
They are not women.
Oki doke. We disagree.
It goes back to this
"You're absolutely entitled to your feelings, but not your own facts based on those feelings."
It doesn't at least not in my perception, but like I said we do disagree. Don't we?click to expand
on facts? I guess so.
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by einspiscesPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by einspiscesPosted by Moon_River
Personally I would. But I also have empathy. It’s not like the dude wouldn’t find out once they did get intimate so the right thing to do would be to tell.
I guess it might have been a terrifying situation for them.
Still doesn’t excuse them getting beaten or murdered.
This was online tho so I don’t think that was the scenario.
You have empathy ? i thought that was a myth.
Oh lord. I summoned him. 😂
Actually you forgot the phentagram but oh well, here i come.
Are you trying to spell pentagram?click to expand
Seems like im here doing thesis so a little mistake would gave me a D-.
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by jeanePosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by GenerousLeebPosted by IxiPosted by Enfant-Terrible-IIPosted by CoffeeAndCream
Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
I think the issue here is that you won't accept the idea that Trans women are women. Because of that you view their attempts to court you as being deceptive.
What fuels that belief, that trans-persons, trans-women in particular, are lying somehow to you?
As a biologically born female, why should I allow someone to call me cis gendered woman, just because they feel like changing it to make a group of people feel better about themselves?
Why are they allowed to change the name of their gender but I'm not allowed to keep my original one?
All cis means is that your gender fits the assigned sex at birth. Is that incorrect for you?
No it's not, all I know is I'm a woman, and I don't wanna be called cis gender because someone else wants to change that so it can fit them.
Do you know what “cis” means? That little bit just means “same as assigned” essentially.
Language is in a constant state of evolution, it doesn’t exist for your feelings, it exists for description and communication of ideas.
You aren't "assigned" anything. Unless you are intersex, then you are clearly either male or female at birth (and even before birth).
Doublespeak in two sentences.click to expand
Or are you talking about God?
Assigned implies a decision is made. You are biologically male or female based on biological features. Unless you are saying God assigned those features to a body, no one assigns those features.
Unless you are saying sex does not exist for any creature at all. There are no male dogs, or female giraffes, or male sheep and we cannot tell which animal is female and which is male.
Posted by Moon_RiverPosted by einspiscesPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by einspiscesPosted by Moon_RiverPosted by einspiscesPosted by Moon_River
Personally I would. But I also have empathy. It’s not like the dude wouldn’t find out once they did get intimate so the right thing to do would be to tell.
I guess it might have been a terrifying situation for them.
Still doesn’t excuse them getting beaten or murdered.
This was online tho so I don’t think that was the scenario.
You have empathy ? i thought that was a myth.
Oh lord. I summoned him. 😂
Actually you forgot the phentagram but oh well, here i come.
Are you trying to spell pentagram?
Seems like im here doing thesis so a little mistake would gave me a D-.
That seems a little high but sure.click to expand
Its an honor being called high by the master of the highest of the high
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Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
I think the issue here is that you won't accept the idea that Trans women are women. Because of that you view their attempts to court you as being deceptive.
What fuels that belief, that trans-persons, trans-women in particular, are lying somehow to you?
As a biologically born female, why should I allow someone to call me cis gendered woman, just because they feel like changing it to make a group of people feel better about themselves?
Why are they allowed to change the name of their gender but I'm not allowed to keep my original one?
All cis means is that your gender fits the assigned sex at birth. Is that incorrect for you?
No it's not, all I know is I'm a woman, and I don't wanna be called cis gender because someone else wants to change that so it can fit them.
Do you know what “cis” means? That little bit just means “same as assigned” essentially.
Language is in a constant state of evolution, it doesn’t exist for your feelings, it exists for description and communication of ideas.
You aren't "assigned" anything. Unless you are intersex, then you are clearly either male or female at birth (and even before birth).
Doublespeak in two sentences.
Or are you talking about God?
Assigned implies a decision is made. You are biologically male or female based on biological features. Unless you are saying God assigned those features to a body, no one assigns those features.
Unless you are saying sex does not exist for any creature at all. There are no male dogs, or female giraffes, or male sheep and we cannot tell which animal is female and which is male.
All gender categorization is “assigned“ because that’s what humans collectively imagined as categories and then created language for. That is fluid and has changed throughout history.click to expand
I'm talking about sex. Youre talking about gender. Gender is a social construct and a nonsense.
Biological sex is not fluid and changing. If you were born male you will die biologically. If you were born female you will die biologically female.
I'm sorry that is the hard reality. I will never be a 6 foot blonde grecian goddess. My dna prevents it. I wish it were not the case but its a reality I have come to live with.
Are you one of those bisexuals that wears a CS, identifies as a straight person and "lives a heterosexual life style "?
This sounds like internalized homophobia with a side of tranny-panic.
Meanwhile; real straight people are not fooled.
Why is "being straight" so popular with bisexuals? We can tell by your weird little hairlines and gayish mouths. None of you look straight, physically. Trust.
(And no, that's not a personal attack against the OP. I don't even know what he looks like.)
This sounds like internalized homophobia with a side of tranny-panic.
Meanwhile; real straight people are not fooled.
Why is "being straight" so popular with bisexuals? We can tell by your weird little hairlines and gayish mouths. None of you look straight, physically. Trust.
(And no, that's not a personal attack against the OP. I don't even know what he looks like.)
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Why is it a big deal if a "woman" with a penis hits on you? as long as they aint raping you, why does it matter...
Aside from the deception aspect ?
Because they are wasting my time and theirs. If I'm on Tinder it's pretty obvious what I'm looking for and it's not a male best friend. lol
Nowhere did I state there's anything wrong with a dude hitting on me provided there's no misinformation or pretence.
I think the issue here is that you won't accept the idea that Trans women are women. Because of that you view their attempts to court you as being deceptive.
What fuels that belief, that trans-persons, trans-women in particular, are lying somehow to you?
As a biologically born female, why should I allow someone to call me cis gendered woman, just because they feel like changing it to make a group of people feel better about themselves?
Why are they allowed to change the name of their gender but I'm not allowed to keep my original one?
All cis means is that your gender fits the assigned sex at birth. Is that incorrect for you?
No it's not, all I know is I'm a woman, and I don't wanna be called cis gender because someone else wants to change that so it can fit them.
Do you know what “cis” means? That little bit just means “same as assigned” essentially.
Language is in a constant state of evolution, it doesn’t exist for your feelings, it exists for description and communication of ideas.
You aren't "assigned" anything. Unless you are intersex, then you are clearly either male or female at birth (and even before birth).
Doublespeak in two sentences.
Or are you talking about God?
Assigned implies a decision is made. You are biologically male or female based on biological features. Unless you are saying God assigned those features to a body, no one assigns those features.
Unless you are saying sex does not exist for any creature at all. There are no male dogs, or female giraffes, or male sheep and we cannot tell which animal is female and which is male.
All gender categorization is “assigned“ because that’s what humans collectively imagined as categories and then created language for. That is fluid and has changed throughout history.
I'm talking about sex. Youre talking about gender. Gender is a social construct and a nonsense.
Biological sex is not fluid and changing. If you were born male you will die biologically. If you were born female you will die biologically female.
I'm sorry that is the hard reality. I will never be a 6 foot blonde grecian goddess. My dna prevents it. I wish it were not the case but its a reality I have come to live with.
No, I’m not. I’m talking critical language theory and it’s flying right over your pretty noggin.click to expand
lol, insults. OK. Well done.
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Dating in 21ct, paper proving no stds, dna analysis and rona negative. Lol!
Seriously agree. Also If OP stop trying to date online the situation wouldn't be so problematic I'm sure. Hint Hint
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Dating in 21ct, paper proving no stds, dna analysis and rona negative. Lol!
Seriously agree. Also If OP stop trying to date online the situation wouldn't be so problematic I'm sure. Hint Hint
Lol+
I think that maybe we should just ask folks to give us their best proposals as to how to "fix" this situation.click to expand
That would be the best logical answer going forward. @jeane, @moonriver
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Dating in 21ct, paper proving no stds, dna analysis and rona negative. Lol!
Seriously agree. Also If OP stop trying to date online the situation wouldn't be so problematic I'm sure. Hint Hint
Lol+
I think that maybe we should just ask folks to give us their best proposals as to how to "fix" this situation.
That would be the best logical answer going forward. @jeane, @moonriverclick to expand
I actually agree with @ixi for the most part. People have a right to choose who they are attracted to without having to explain it.
I dont think trans people are generally deceptive or trying to trick people. What would be the point of that?
Op, doesn't have to explain his sexuality. Transwomen are not for him. Some transwomen look absolutely amazing though and for some straight men it wouldn't be an issue that she is a transwoman. I see nothing wrong with what she is doing. Like all dating, some people will be attracted to her, some won't. Some will be attracted to op, some won't.
He should just wish her well and move on to someone he is attracted to and hope that they are attracted to what he is offering.
Posted by CoffeeAndCream
what is CIS?
Its when your biological sex is the same as your gender identity. Crudely put, not-trans.
Many women rally against the term because it implies a rigid notion of what it is to be "female" or "male".
Posted by CoffeeAndCreamPosted by jeanePosted by CoffeeAndCream
what is CIS?
Its when your biological sex is the same as your gender identity. Crudely put, not-trans.
Many women rally against the term because it implies a rigid notion of what it is to be "female" or "male".
why not just say woman
Anways I'm not buying into what a minority wants
I as a woman reject thisclick to expand
Well, thats what a lot of women say. But in the states its assumed that "transwomen are women". And so in order to differentiate those women who were born female and those who were born male, then the term "cis" became more common.
I think most are probably totally open about their nature, from the start, because they know what they'll only get insults (or worse irl) and there are a lot of dudes who are into their type so they don't need to hide.
There are probably a few like this one who get off to the idea of deceiving people online, and showing their peepee on cam to an unsuspecting dude.
There are probably a few like this one who get off to the idea of deceiving people online, and showing their peepee on cam to an unsuspecting dude.
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"She is a woman by all accounts"
How do you know that? @dOpehEad
"Contrary to public perception the overwhelming majority of male-born transgender people retain their penis and are fully male-bodied." From https://fairplayforwomen.com/penis/
This (aka having a penis) was also the case for all transgenders (transwomen) I was made aware of, from the lovely MilaniKisses, who came here on dxpnet to answer any questions we might have had about her transition (or to chat about the men she was dating), to the "Ladyboys of Bangkok" who performed almost every October near my workplace.
How do you know that? @dOpehEad
"Contrary to public perception the overwhelming majority of male-born transgender people retain their penis and are fully male-bodied." From https://fairplayforwomen.com/penis/
This (aka having a penis) was also the case for all transgenders (transwomen) I was made aware of, from the lovely MilaniKisses, who came here on dxpnet to answer any questions we might have had about her transition (or to chat about the men she was dating), to the "Ladyboys of Bangkok" who performed almost every October near my workplace.
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Complexity isn't scary for some of us.click to expand
Reciting pre-made political argumentation and maintaining a cargo cult around academia is complexity all right, but not the good kind.
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And yet when women say that to tra's they are branded terfs.
TERF is an academic descriptive term and one that isn't exactly a slur but it is mostly seen as denigrating, you should expect a fight if you did call a person in the feminist movement a TERF (whether they earned the moniker or not) due to current common usage of the term.
With the above being said....without greater context as to what these women are saying to trans-rights activists and why I wouldn't be able to make a call either way. Not every criticism about how the movement conducts is business is inherently transphobic or anti-trans.
I will more generally say that the efforts by some radical feminists groups to exclude trans-women from the protection and support of the larger feminist movement could absolutely be considered transphobic.
To expect women to make way or fight for the rights for males (ie transwomen) could be considered misogynistic.
Very few women would say that transwomen should be without support or rights or the freedom to live their lives without violence but they are not entitled to their own facts based on their feelings.
They are not males though. They are women or are you disputing that?
They are biological males. Or are you saying they are biological women?
You're arguing that trans-women who have transitioned are men? Am I understanding you correctly?
I'm saying transwomen are biologically male. Are you saying they are biologically female?
Would you consider yourself a feminist?
So you've not answered my question twice now. Interesting.
I have answered your question earlier in the thread, just not directly to you.
I've already stated that they are not Cis-gendered women.
But your saying they are men, they are not. That premise would be incorrect once they are out and have transitioned their gender expression.
Male and female are not gender expressions. They're anatomical words used to describe the sex of your reproductive organs.
Well actually they are in a sense...anatomical. Yes.
But I didn't equate male and female to gender expression.
You said she wasn't male, but she is if she still has a penis. Was just clarifying that, is all. No further comments on the subject.
No she has a male sexual organ, but she isn't male. Hence the denotion of a her being a she at all.
You tried it though.
What? She is a gender pronoun. Basically we don't disagree.
We may, we may not.
I'm not sure.
Let's do a litmus test.
Do you believe that someone who is a trans-woman and hasn't transitioned sexually is considered a man or a woman?
That's gender. So they can identify as either, but if its a medical thing involving their genitalia, they'd be helping everyone including themselves out if they said male or female. But if you're tricking someone into thinking you have female genitalia when you don't, that's not cool because then someone is exposing their junk to you without your consent and that's a crime. I mean if it gets to that point.click to expand
Its not even restricted to genitalia really. I think that males can have blood transfusions from women who have been pregnant?
Some symptoms are different for men and women. Some medicines also don't work as effectively for men and as they do for women.
Personally I dont know what's wrong with saying you are trans. Its almost like its a movement to erase this state of being as if its something to be embarrassed about.
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