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Posted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
Posted by SlipperySlopePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Nah fk that I wanna work.click to expand
lol I agree with this.
Posted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.click to expand
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.
People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves. Be safe girl!
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by femmePosted by Aliensusedourbogroll
No need to roll your eyes boo, it's only a discussion.
I’ll eye roll all I want. The bullshit you just spouted deserves it.click to expand
You have your opinion and I have mine. Guess what? It's ok to disagree lol
Posted by LittleStar
There is inconvenience and there is death.
I choose inconvenience.
People should be protesting non essential business is still happening, tbh.
Do we really know if this virus is as deadly as it is made to seem? I just feel like we don't have enough info.
I can understand where you're coming from though.
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by femmePosted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by femmePosted by Aliensusedourbogroll
No need to roll your eyes boo, it's only a discussion.
I’ll eye roll all I want. The bullshit you just spouted deserves it.
You have your opinion and I have mine. Guess what? It's ok to disagree lol
And what’s your point? This is me expressing my disagreement.click to expand
Now you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult. It's ok, I still think you're cool.
Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.
People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves. Be safe girl!click to expand
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.
@femme I guess you missed my post yesterday. A PSA from a friend who is a nurse in Missouri.
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/trump-declares-a-national-state-of-emergency-over-the-coronavirus-outbreak-13701418/?p=12
Welcome back btw.
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/trump-declares-a-national-state-of-emergency-over-the-coronavirus-outbreak-13701418/?p=12
Welcome back btw.
FYI rate of infection for Covid-19 is 50% faster than that of the common flu.
One of the after effects after recovery is a weakened respiratory system. Relapse is highly likely if the recovered person does not take necessary precautions. Japan already has 1 relapse case.
I already am aware of 1 guy who lives a few blocks from me, who got infected after going to the gym despite being told to practice social distancing. Subsequently they had to close the gym and the staff had to go on 14-day leave of absence because of his stupidity.
One of the after effects after recovery is a weakened respiratory system. Relapse is highly likely if the recovered person does not take necessary precautions. Japan already has 1 relapse case.
I already am aware of 1 guy who lives a few blocks from me, who got infected after going to the gym despite being told to practice social distancing. Subsequently they had to close the gym and the staff had to go on 14-day leave of absence because of his stupidity.
The economy will bounce back pretty my quickly. Most who are affected will be laid off for a month or 2 and then can be rehired once things get back to normal. Companies that are shutting down and laying off to prevent a major catastrophe with in their business. Any company that goes under now (other then the travel industry) didn’t really have a great profit margin to begin with, if they can’t stay a float for a couple of months. Especially with laying low and not operating or paying employees.
I like that they are limiting contact to people. I think it’s necessary to get it over with and handled.
It would end up prolonging the virus and more people would be hurt. Sacrificing a few weeks to save people is a good decision.
In my area we are in lock down for 3 weeks. Rent won’t be paid, phone bills, water and electricity are all supposed to be on an extension for now and will not be disconnected until this is over. Everyone is working together, which is how the government is supposed to be in a crises.
I like that they are limiting contact to people. I think it’s necessary to get it over with and handled.
It would end up prolonging the virus and more people would be hurt. Sacrificing a few weeks to save people is a good decision.
In my area we are in lock down for 3 weeks. Rent won’t be paid, phone bills, water and electricity are all supposed to be on an extension for now and will not be disconnected until this is over. Everyone is working together, which is how the government is supposed to be in a crises.
Posted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves.Be safe girl!
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.click to expand
If the vulnerable people aren't quarantining themselves, then why should whole cities and nations be subject to lock down if the rules aren't going to be followed anyway?
Do you think it's possible that we can naturally develop immunity over time? It seems possible to me especially if there are carriers that don't have symptoms.
Posted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by femmePosted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by femmePosted by AliensusedourbogrollPosted by femmePosted by Aliensusedourbogroll
No need to roll your eyes boo, it's only a discussion.
I’ll eye roll all I want. The bullshit you just spouted deserves it.
You have your opinion and I have mine. Guess what? It's ok to disagree lol
And what’s your point? This is me expressing my disagreement.
Now you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult. It's ok, I still think you're cool.
I can understand why you think I’m being difficult cos I’m not explaining why I disagree with your opening statement but I will explain later when I’m home and less busy.click to expand
No problem, I'd like to hear it.
Posted by saggurl88
The economy will bounce back pretty my quickly. Most who are affected will be laid off for a month or 2 and then can be rehired once things get back to normal. Companies that are shutting down and laying off to prevent a major catastrophe with in their business. Any company that goes under now (other then the travel industry) didn’t really have a great profit margin to begin with, if they can’t stay a float for a couple of months. Especially with laying low and not operating or paying employees.
I like that they are limiting contact to people. I think it’s necessary to get it over with and handled.
It would end up prolonging the virus and more people would be hurt. Sacrificing a few weeks to save people is a good decision.
In my area we are in lock down for 3 weeks. Rent won’t be paid, phone bills, water and electricity are all supposed to be on an extension for now and will not be disconnected until this is over. Everyone is working together, which is how the government is supposed to be in a crises.
This.
Posted by Ram416
@femme I guess you missed my post yesterday. A PSA from a friend who is a nurse in Missouri.
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/trump-declares-a-national-state-of-emergency-over-the-coronavirus-outbreak-13701418/?p=12
Welcome back btw.
Thanks Ram, I'll definitely read it.
*force hugs you* lol
Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves.Be safe girl!
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.
If the vulnerable people aren't quarantining themselves, then why should whole cities and nations be subject to lock down if the rules aren't going to be followed anyway?
Do you think it's possible that we can naturally develop immunity over time? It seems possible to me especially if there are carriers that don't have symptoms.click to expand
Because not having a lockdown would mean they can still do as they please and infect more people along the way.
Singapore isn't having a lockdown - in fact we'll be having national elections in May lol.
But the only reason for not having a lockdown is cos my govt doesn't want our GDP to drop. And they want us to still pay our taxes and bills. So that they can pay themselves their million dollar salaries.
Meanwhile our infection numbers have been increasing at a scary rate. from 1 -2 a day to 5-12 a day. Yesterday was the highest at 23, of which 17 were from other countries.
Posted by saggurl88
The economy will bounce back pretty my quickly. Most who are affected will be laid off for a month or 2 and then can be rehired once things get back to normal. Companies that are shutting down and laying off to prevent a major catastrophe with in their business. Any company that goes under now (other then the travel industry) didn’t really have a great profit margin to begin with, if they can’t stay a float for a couple of months. Especially with laying low and not operating or paying employees.
I like that they are limiting contact to people. I think it’s necessary to get it over with and handled.
It would end up prolonging the virus and more people would be hurt. Sacrificing a few weeks to save people is a good decision.
In my area we are in lock down for 3 weeks. Rent won’t be paid, phone bills, water and electricity are all supposed to be on an extension for now and will not be disconnected until this is over. Everyone is working together, which is how the government is supposed to be in a crises.
This makes so much sense and is oddly reassuring lol
3 weeks lock down wouldn't be so bad... howeverrr… some states are shutting down schools for the remainder of the school year and keeping businesses closed way pass the 3 week mark. There's a lot of hope riding on warm weather and the possibility of a vaccine to rid us of the virus. If one or both of those things don't come through, then all the layoffs and companies going under would be for nothing. Then we'll be right back to square one.
Posted by DevilPosted by femme
I was wondering... why aren't people protesting or questioning the coronavirus lock down?? We are completely shutting down the ENTIRE country. A lot of people will lose jobs, a lot of small businesses will have to close their doors permanently. The economy will be devastated, possibly to the point of no return... We are taking such drastic measures for a virus that we really know nothing about.
Not to mention the government officials who are using this to push agendas and laws that are borderline authoritarian.
I think I also read something that there are calls for military intervention... would that mean we are officially 'unofficially' under martial law?
Something seems real sabotage-y and underhanded to me. Thoughts?
I think not dying takes precedent for the moment. So many people near each other during this time is not a good idea. We have no control on the situation atm.click to expand
This is true, but we really know nothing. This virus has been circulating since last year. For all you know, we could all already have it.
Posted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves.Be safe girl!
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.
If the vulnerable people aren't quarantining themselves, then why should whole cities and nations be subject to lock down if the rules aren't going to be followed anyway?
Do you think it's possible that we can naturally develop immunity over time? It seems possible to me especially if there are carriers that don't have symptoms.
Because not having a lockdown would mean they can still do as they please and infect more people along the way.
Singapore isn't having a lockdown - in fact we'll be having national elections in May lol.
But the only reason for not having a lockdown is cos my govt doesn't want our GDP to drop. And they want us to still pay our taxes and bills. So that they can pay themselves their million dollar salaries.
Meanwhile our infection numbers have been increasing at a scary rate. from 1 -2 a day to 5-12 a day. Yesterday was the highest at 23, of which 17 were from other countries.click to expand
You'll probably disagree, but I think Singapore could be going about it the right way. Crisis has a way of making people make rash decisions and I think I like the wait and see approach.
So the infection rate has increased, what is the death rate per day?
Posted by LittleStarPosted by femmePosted by LittleStar
There is inconvenience and there is death.
I choose inconvenience.
People should be protesting non essential business is still happening, tbh.
Do we really know if this virus is as deadly as it is made to seem? I just feel like we don't have enough info.
I can understand where you're coming from though.
It’s hard to say most likely based off cruise ship and Korea mortality rate (these are the most controlled and well tested sources) is probably close to 1% plus or minus.
Since a lot of countries aren’t testing it can make the overall fatality rate look higher than it is.
But if half the US gets coronavirus with a 1% fatality rate you are looking at 1.6 million dead.
More than world wars.click to expand
If there are a lot more people with the virus, would that 1% mortality rate be lower?
Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves.Be safe girl!
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.
If the vulnerable people aren't quarantining themselves, then why should whole cities and nations be subject to lock down if the rules aren't going to be followed anyway?
Do you think it's possible that we can naturally develop immunity over time? It seems possible to me especially if there are carriers that don't have symptoms.
Because not having a lockdown would mean they can still do as they please and infect more people along the way.
Singapore isn't having a lockdown - in fact we'll be having national elections in May lol.
But the only reason for not having a lockdown is cos my govt doesn't want our GDP to drop. And they want us to still pay our taxes and bills. So that they can pay themselves their million dollar salaries.
Meanwhile our infection numbers have been increasing at a scary rate. from 1 -2 a day to 5-12 a day. Yesterday was the highest at 23, of which 17 were from other countries.
You'll probably disagree, but I think Singapore could be going about it the right way. Crisis has a way of making people make rash decisions and I think I like the wait and see approach.
So the infection rate has increased, what is the death rate per day?click to expand
No deaths yet according to our govt. But critical cases keep dropping and rising and dropping, which makes our govt's claims suspect.They know what reporting even 1 death will do to people's psyche here, plus they're well known for hiding shit just to make themselves look good.
During the SARS epidemic they were more open about critical cases, informing the public about transfers from ICU to general population. For Covid-19, they've been very quiet about our critical cases.
Posted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.
Posted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
This is the most important.
Over here our hospitals have maxed out on resources and they are sending less severe, unconfirmed cases to get tested at GP clinics. The hospitals have run out of room to isolate the unconfirmed cases for 14 days, so their advice is to self isolate at home.
Posted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves.Be safe girl!
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.
If the vulnerable people aren't quarantining themselves, then why should whole cities and nations be subject to lock down if the rules aren't going to be followed anyway?
Do you think it's possible that we can naturally develop immunity over time? It seems possible to me especially if there are carriers that don't have symptoms.
Because not having a lockdown would mean they can still do as they please and infect more people along the way.
Singapore isn't having a lockdown - in fact we'll be having national elections in May lol.
But the only reason for not having a lockdown is cos my govt doesn't want our GDP to drop. And they want us to still pay our taxes and bills. So that they can pay themselves their million dollar salaries.
Meanwhile our infection numbers have been increasing at a scary rate. from 1 -2 a day to 5-12 a day. Yesterday was the highest at 23, of which 17 were from other countries.
You'll probably disagree, but I think Singapore could be going about it the right way. Crisis has a way of making people make rash decisions and I think I like the wait and see approach.
So the infection rate has increased, what is the death rate per day?
No deaths yet according to our govt. But critical cases keep dropping and rising and dropping, which makes our govt's claims suspect.They know what reporting even 1 death will do to people's psyche here, plus they're well known for hiding shit just to make themselves look good.
During the SARS epidemic they were more open about critical cases, informing the public about transfers from ICU to general population. For Covid-19, they've been very quiet about our critical cases.click to expand
It's a shame and no surprise if the government is hiding data, but on the other hand I agree with keeping the citizens calm and not inciting panic.
People are panicking here and I feel like there's some agenda being carried out behind the scenes.
*puts tin foil hat on*
Posted by femmePosted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.click to expand
The government has no control over permanent increase of health infrastructure.
Posted by femmePosted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.click to expand
You're forgetting the overworked medical staff who have to put in triple OT because people don't listen or don't care to take precautions.
Its not just about the equipment or facilities. Its also about the people who have to operate these things and are at the most risk of getting infected.
My cousin is a cardiac nurse who was informed he had to make time at our local NCID (national centre for infectious diseases) at least twice a week. He was annoyed because he already had a full plate of cardiac patients to see to.
Posted by DevilPosted by femmePosted by DevilPosted by femme
I was wondering... why aren't people protesting or questioning the coronavirus lock down?? We are completely shutting down the ENTIRE country. A lot of people will lose jobs, a lot of small businesses will have to close their doors permanently. The economy will be devastated, possibly to the point of no return... We are taking such drastic measures for a virus that we really know nothing about.
Not to mention the government officials who are using this to push agendas and laws that are borderline authoritarian.
I think I also read something that there are calls for military intervention... would that mean we are officially 'unofficially' under martial law?
Something seems real sabotage-y and underhanded to me. Thoughts?
I think not dying takes precedent for the moment. So many people near each other during this time is not a good idea. We have no control on the situation atm.
This is true, but we really know nothing. This virus has been circulating since last year. For all you know, we could all already have it.
This is the new frontier of the 21st century. Surviving takes precedent I think. That's the way it has been in the history of humankind. It's only because we've survived to live another day that we came so far.
We'll have plenty to do once we get over the situation. Sometimes and I cringe saying this as a Crab we have to let go and let the tides of the times come and take us where they might.
We haven't had something like this in a couple hundred years, so the situation isn't something we really prepared for so that's why it seems like everything is going to shit. It'll pass. We'll survive. We'll keep on moving forward. At least the ones that want to.click to expand
I like the optimism!! Even though I'm shaking my head and asking what are we doing?? I think we'll get through this too 🙂
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Posted by _mudraPosted by femme
I was wondering... why aren't people protesting or questioning the coronavirus lock down?? We are completely shutting down the ENTIRE country. A lot of people will lose jobs, a lot of small businesses will have to close their doors permanently. The economy will be devastated, possibly to the point of no return... We are taking such drastic measures for a virus that we really know nothing about.
Not to mention the government officials who are using this to push agendas and laws that are borderline authoritarian.
I think I also read something that there are calls for military intervention... would that mean we are officially 'unofficially' under martial law?
Something seems real sabotage-y and underhanded to me. Thoughts?
You're kidding, right?click to expand
You're more than welcome to explain why you disagree.
Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83Posted by femmePosted by Arielle83
My country hasn’t locked down yet, but I want them to.
Too many people can be affected. Just because you think you’re healthy, doesn’t mean someone you come in contact is.
Yea that's true, but a lot of decisions are being made off of what ifs. Maybe your country has the right approach by not shutting down it's whole economy?
I feel bad for people working in shops having to come in contact with all these panic buyers.
I’m on the vulnerable list so I don’t want to come in contact with anyone that just got off a plane.
I feel bad for them too, having to deal with all the hysterics.People who are vulnerable should definitely quarantine themselves.Be safe girl!
Here is where the problem lies. Some people who are vulnerable and/or already infected are not doing this. Apart from imposing fines/jailing them, there is little else anyone can do to assure this.
Also there is the problem of healthy carriers, i.e. people who have and show no symptoms and don't even know they're infected until they pass it to someone else who has a less robust immune system.
If the vulnerable people aren't quarantining themselves, then why should whole cities and nations be subject to lock down if the rules aren't going to be followed anyway?
Do you think it's possible that we can naturally develop immunity over time? It seems possible to me especially if there are carriers that don't have symptoms.
Because not having a lockdown would mean they can still do as they please and infect more people along the way.
Singapore isn't having a lockdown - in fact we'll be having national elections in May lol.
But the only reason for not having a lockdown is cos my govt doesn't want our GDP to drop. And they want us to still pay our taxes and bills. So that they can pay themselves their million dollar salaries.
Meanwhile our infection numbers have been increasing at a scary rate. from 1 -2 a day to 5-12 a day. Yesterday was the highest at 23, of which 17 were from other countries.
You'll probably disagree, but I think Singapore could be going about it the right way. Crisis has a way of making people make rash decisions and I think I like the wait and see approach.
So the infection rate has increased, what is the death rate per day?
No deaths yet according to our govt. But critical cases keep dropping and rising and dropping, which makes our govt's claims suspect.They know what reporting even 1 death will do to people's psyche here, plus they're well known for hiding shit just to make themselves look good.
During the SARS epidemic they were more open about critical cases, informing the public about transfers from ICU to general population. For Covid-19, they've been very quiet about our critical cases.
It's a shame and no surprise if the government is hiding data, but on the other hand I agree with keeping the citizens calm and not inciting panic.
People are panicking here and I feel like there's some agenda being carried out behind the scenes.
*puts tin foil hat on*click to expand
They don't need to incite panic over here. We're doing a good job of that on our own. Panic buying just started again and this time it's canned food and vegetables. Some even went across the border to Malaysia to stockpile food from their supermarkets.
It is ironic how something that's smaller than a tiniest spec of sand, something we cant even see without a scientific microscope, something that doesnt even have a voice is calling ALL the shots.
Something so tiny grabbed the world's attention which is hard to do.
Something so tiny grabbed the world's attention which is hard to do.
Posted by LittleStarPosted by femmePosted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.
I don’t know if they will be able to do anything fast enough. Could have already started while Trump was pretending it was a hoax.click to expand
Could have started if China was more forthcoming back in November. There is plenty of blame for everybody, I suppose.
I really hope they get it together.
Posted by _DazedPosted by femmePosted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.
The government has no control over permanent increase of health infrastructure.click to expand
So who would be in charge of that in an emergency like this?
Posted by Ram416Posted by femmePosted by LittleStar
Essentially it won’t be quite as bad as Spanish Flu but pretty close. World wide you are looking at up to 42 million dead worst case scenario.
Part of shutting everything down is to not overwhelm medical resources to the point that the 1% increases to 7% like it is in Italy.
Not overwhelming the medical system I can understand and agree with. I hope the government is using this time to expand medical facilities and gather more equipment. Otherwise completely upending our economy would be for nothing.
You're forgetting the overworked medical staff who have to put in triple OT because people don't listen or don't care to take precautions.
Its not just about the equipment or facilities. Its also about the people who have to operate these things and are at the most risk of getting infected.
My cousin is a cardiac nurse who was informed he had to make time at our local NCID (national centre for infectious diseases) at least twice a week. He was annoyed because he already had a full plate of cardiac patients to see to.click to expand
I can only imagine how exhausted they are! There's no perfect way to deal with all of this, I just wonder if what we're doing is the best way.
Posted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Posted by DMV
It is ironic how something that's smaller than a tiniest spec of sand, something we cant even see without a scientific microscope, something that doesnt even have a voice is calling ALL the shots.
Something so tiny grabbed the world's attention which is hard to do.
I knowww riight… *sigh*
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-action-on-coronavirus-covid-19.aspx
↑ That link ↑ will list a breakdown of legislation by State
Posted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?click to expand
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Posted by DMVPosted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.click to expand
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Posted by DMVPosted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.click to expand
Putting it out there in the atmosphere for you, that the right offer will come through!
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by DMVPosted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬click to expand
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
Choose life, not death
Posted by femmePosted by TheApparitionPosted by DMVPosted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lolclick to expand
They mentioned:
"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:
"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Posted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting itself in a position to where they have to compensate.
Posted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.click to expand
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
*Post Edit* - the right to vote was cut off from that image and I forgot to mention it. My screen capture didn't have enough room, lol.
Posted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by AntiphatesPosted by TheApparitionPosted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
A lot of the problem with that is they're not (in many facets) outright telling people they cannot do something (in most cases), but rather they are creating limitations that are so strict it makes it impossible for those things to be achieved; therefore, ultimately that makes it the decision of the people or business, and in those instances the government isn't putting yourself in a position to where they have to compensate.
That's the point. They might communicate it in advance to prepare people but a responsible government will assume and prepare for the people ignoring that advice.
Can't speak for the US and other states but my government held off with those declarations as long as possible exactly because they didn't want to be forced to compensate that soon because they would have needed federal money to do that. Once they got that they started locking things down. Certainly not unproblematic but still the best they could do at that point in time. After that has been done and brought on the way they started looking for ways to help the other cases. Politics needs time to work through things too.
Aye, but i think there are some challenges that make things quite problematic here in the U.S.
Those three things for example. people are protected with those things in mind but that was way before something like the coronavirus was ever thought of; however, those rights still hold true, and the reason for that is because the US Bill of Rights was not created to tell the people what they can do, but rather to tell the Government what it is not allowed to prevent us from doing.
If we have the right to assemble peacefully, and the right to travel, and the religious rights are covered (even including the way they are practiced) it's going to make it increasingly hard for them to attend this without infringing on constitutional the constitutional rights and civil liberties of the people
I guess it boils down to how much the government is willing to pay, right? Everyone has their price at the end of the day. Taking away somebody's rights and liberties those it's going to be an expensive price tag.
I assume that there are some emergency rules that overrule those rights in times of need.
At least that's how it is here.click to expand
They do have limitations but to take them away completely, no... I mean that's a no in theory obviously. That was included in the Constitution.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” - 1st amendment
"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived." 5th Amendment.
There are others. I think a part of the 14th Amendment covers travel also.
Posted by TheApparitionPosted by femmePosted by TheApparitionPosted by DMVPosted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.click to expand
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.
Posted by Antiphates
I think the core motivation of it is twofold:
1. People do dumb things even when they have been told what will happen if they do the dumb thing. The whole thing might work without an offical shutdown if people just would stop doing dumb things.
2. To provide legal certainty, because that opens up additional routes for things like finance etc. like for an example for exhibitions. Once the goverment offically tells you you aren't allowed you are eligible to be compensated for it.
That's very true. I'm curious to see how it'll turn out for those countries who still allow their citizens to roam freely. I think the idea behind that is to develop herd immunity, but only time will tell.
My question to your 2nd thought would be, where is all that money coming from? Seems like even more strain on the economy.
Posted by femmePosted by TheApparitionPosted by femmePosted by TheApparitionPosted by DMVPosted by femmePosted by DMV
Not gonna lie...
This is exactly the break I needed at the right time.
I hate my job and would rather not interact with my coworkers.
I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation.
I've been enjoying myself immensly.
Earlier in the month... I had a feeling that plans would be changing and they did.
Lol at least you're making the best of it girl. When all of this is over, are you gonna go ahead and make that career change?
Been applying since 2018!!!
Still waiting on a great offer.
Getting my mind right has been priceless.
Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations.
God sure "works in mysterious ways." 😬
Lol where were you even going with this comment? I feel like I missed it lol
They mentioned:"I told God That i needed a second away just to gather myself and being the Standup man that he is, he gave me 2 week paid vacation."
So I said:"Did you see that they're starting to order shutdowns of religious services places too? Coronavirus is popping up in congregations."
Well I primarily wanted to point out how unfortunate it was that the religious communities are also being impacted by Coronavirus.
I also found it quite ironic that, while some people have been thankful for the positive things that have been happening (which are entirely great don't get me wrong), there are still god-loving members of the religious community that have also being negatively impacted by this. Hence my comment "God sure "works in mysterious ways"."
That's all. I mean no disrespect.
During the time that passed between my initial comment and now I have actually been looking to see if it was even constitutional for them to limit their right for assembly. Seems questionable.
Oh ok now I understand, just needed some context lol
I too was wondering if the government were violating people's rights, but apparently they can if they declare martial law? I feel like people would definitely protest if they declared it officially.click to expand
Technically yes, BUT due to the size & population of the US considered against the availability of military personnel, along with the fact that it's a quarantine issue, Martial Law is not realistically feasible.
Since the military would replace regular law enforcement they would be tasked with regular law enforcement jobs also. Not only that but you factor in that they would be risking bringing themselves into contamination further perpetuating the contamination cycle is not realistic to do.
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