Why Pedophiles Should Die/Have Life Sentences (Page 2)

I have told this story once. In 2001 some of my friends and I tricked an older rich pedo into his home, beat the yellow out of his teeth and stole around 4000 or mabye even 5000 DM (roughly 2000-2500€) from him. We then went to a strip bar to pray for him. Too bad we didn't fully enjoy the whole thing in his place when he tripped like 24 times to the floor because we did it mostly for the money but if we had been older and considered what pedos like him are all about, we would have probably sent him to the hospital for a long time and also get arrested too. Decisions decisions..

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I try to be a forgiving person and try to believe in due process and all that, but I can't say I'm very sympathetic towards the fact that for convicted child molesters sentenced to time in prison, and even jail, it's often a de facto death sentence for them.

I too used to believe that they'd die in prison either at the hands of other inmates or an angry guard or two. But apparently that's not always the case for them. Often times these men/women are kept separate from the general population, in isolation, where they live out their sentence in peace. Because of the nature of their offence(s), they are kept under close watch 24/7.

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Why are we attacking antiphates? Antiphates is just providing another perspective.

I doubt if you've been the victim of child abuse this perspective would go down too well

Thanks. I shared my own personal experience on this thread and just because I don't share other personal info, it's not for you to judge whether I should give my perspective or not.

I was thinking of Flo

K. It's not only Flo who was abused. We have different perspective and I respect that. You don't have to shit on me because you disagree.

She wasn’t, this is sensitive subject.

Of course it is. I don't need her to fucking quote me and act like there's only one thought process to this.

The majority of people who have experienced this trauma all feel the same about pedos and how to deal with the issue.

Ok. I'm still allowed to speak for myself. I still went through the experience, she didn't. She didn't have to act like my experience is less than yours.

It’s not less but were you conditioned to think the type of people who cause this sort of pain to children should get a second chance of life? Really?

Rehabilitation for other crimes have shown effective.

If people are going to commit regardless of death penalty or life sentence, there must be some root cause(s).

Did you know that there are children who do the same thing to others children their age or younger?

I pointed that there are different cases, it's not a straight and narrow line. There are people who deserve the death penalty but not everyone. It shouldn't be the same blanket statement for everyone.

There are many cases of children being tried as adults for committing murders. It would go the same path if need be.

And that's really unfortunate because these kids are victims from the cycle of family of abuse and by the system itself. Kids that need guidance, support and protection but never had that opportunity given to them. Kids that have fallen through the cracks and joined groups because they need to belong. They are still kids, still developing.

Do you have children?

Yup and I still wouldn't change my answer.

So everything you spoke of today, would be the same statement you would say to your children if they openly told you someone assaulted or abused them?

What did I say that bothered you so much that you have to use a personal question? Because I could ask you the same thing in reverse. The fact that maybe rehab can be an alternative?

You didn’t answer the question. Does it make a difference once I place your children in the shoes of other children that suffered?

Okay. I'll answer since you think that's a proper way to do things.

I do think that rehab can be an effective intervention depending on the case.

Does that answer your question?

Not necessarily. I would fight for justice equally for any child in this world who has been assaulted or abused as I would for my own child because I personally know the pain and I understand how it feels to be an adult now while my abuser is walking around living their lives normally.

Yep. I would have been so happy to actually be protected by parents.

I thought my father would at least treat me as good as his patients and he didn’t even report what happened to me because he didn’t want to ruin his image I’m sure.

He was two different people at home vs “professor/counselor” mode and other people used to buy into that shit and eat it up.

But yeah... if you are supposedly helping kids heal from sexual abuse but don’t even help your daughter.

Ugh. Might as well have shot me then. That’s how it felt.

That’s why I wanted to kill him so badly. Legit thought about it.

As a mother I’d never let that happen. Even if I died trying I’d go after their asses.

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Wtf 🤬🤯😤 speechless!!

Please tell me you managed to get help and support from someone else that believed you and also got justice!

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I honestly question Antiphates thought process on this topic. Something isn’t right.

You correct in so far as I have a different stance on this issue than you.

If, however, you are insinuating that I'm okay with pedophilia, otherwise endorsing such or similiar practices or even am a pedophile myself like your other posts seem to push for, you are wrong. I'm not okay with it.

I just happen to have a different stance on this issue in the sense that I prefer to focus on preventing such acts from happening over the urge to punish. Part of this is based on my strong support of universal, sacrosanct human rights on whose behalf I've argued before and will again.

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And what about children’s rights?

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My post is going to be raw for some and i apologize in advance.

At one point in time, yes i wanted to see them harmed, whether it was within the jail system or vigilante style justice. I was so angry and hated life, I always wondered what did i do so wrong that it happened to me. the first person almost killed me when it happened because he was forcing his dick down my throat- i was 7, he was maybe16 himself, so yes techincally a child himself, a kid from the neighborhood. The other was my aunts boyfriend that lived with my dad, he threanted to kill me and my sister and also said our dad would believe him becuae he was an adult. I was 10 or 11 (5th & 6th grade).. again never spoke up to my parents. Told my step sisters 5 or 6 years after. Went to court, he lied and said we wanted it to happen. i was 11 fucking years old and he was at least 30 if not older, that was when i lost faith in our system. Children need to have a voice and be BELIEVED. Why would a child lie about this shit?!

I attempted suicide at 12, got more into drinking and found drugs. I was angry and numb. I got sober at 15, that was when i finally started speaking up about what had happened. More, i wasnt surpressing it anymore. Took many many years of working through everything with theraphy, counciling and trying to find outlets so I didn't think i was broken and tainted. Guess what, that stayed with me until my 30s. My anger though was slowly killing me inside- I had to get rid of it. Anger was making me think about what happened and i refuse to be a victim and not get some joy and happiness from life. So no i don't think about harming them or them being harmed. I don't give them my energy. Thats how in the end i feel like i won.

Why would a child lie about this butter?!

^ Unfortunately I find this happens a lot. I was on jury duty surrounding a similar case and most of the jurors didn't find the guy guilty. They had to explain to me why and they said because there weren't actual evidence.

I'm sorry that happened to you JAG.

Thank you. I really do try not to think about it. I want to enjoy my happy life. The threads lately has brought it back up and I will be a voice in case others don't have theirs yet.

The not believing is a huge part of the problem. It allows it to continue and the offender just keeps offending.

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That’s horrific and like cake said why would a child make these things up? They don’t have those ideas/ images in their heads about stuff like that 🤬😡

Good to hear you’ve let go of that anger but all assaults should be reported, not only for justice but also to monitor their movements.

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I honestly question Antiphates thought process on this topic. Something isn’t right.

You correct in so far as I have a different stance on this issue than you.

If, however, you are insinuating that I'm okay with pedophilia, otherwise endorsing such or similiar practices or even am a pedophile myself like your other posts seem to push for, you are wrong. I'm not okay with it.

I just happen to have a different stance on this issue in the sense that I prefer to focus on preventing such acts from happening over the urge to punish. Part of this is based on my strong support of universal, sacrosanct human rights on whose behalf I've argued before and will again.

And what about children’s rights?

Their rights never mattered to begin with and their voices were silenced during trauma.

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Ain't that just the truth....children were seen and not heard for a long time

It was and is a fucking disgrace.

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I honestly question Antiphates thought process on this topic. Something isn’t right.

You correct in so far as I have a different stance on this issue than you.

If, however, you are insinuating that I'm okay with pedophilia, otherwise endorsing such or similiar practices or even am a pedophile myself like your other posts seem to push for, you are wrong. I'm not okay with it.

I just happen to have a different stance on this issue in the sense that I prefer to focus on preventing such acts from happening over the urge to punish. Part of this is based on my strong support of universal, sacrosanct human rights on whose behalf I've argued before and will again.

And what about children’s rights?

Their rights never mattered to begin with and their voices were silenced during trauma.

Ain't that just the truth....children were seen and not heard for a long time

It was and is a fucking disgrace.

I took my mother to court at 12 yrs old and it was heart wrenching, all because I wanted my rights to be heard and even then I lost the case so just imagine for a 3yr old or 7yr old.

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Brave girl ❤️. Is your mother still alive/in your life?

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"She asked for it"....

No she did not, but he did

Bang bang....😡

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Why are we attacking antiphates? Antiphates is just providing another perspective.

I doubt if you've been the victim of child abuse this perspective would go down too well

Thanks. I shared my own personal experience on this thread and just because I don't share other personal info, it's not for you to judge whether I should give my perspective or not.

I was thinking of Flo

K. It's not only Flo who was abused. We have different perspective and I respect that. You don't have to shit on me because you disagree.

She wasn’t, this is sensitive subject.

Of course it is. I don't need her to fucking quote me and act like there's only one thought process to this.

The majority of people who have experienced this trauma all feel the same about pedos and how to deal with the issue.

Ok. I'm still allowed to speak for myself. I still went through the experience, she didn't. She didn't have to act like my experience is less than yours.

It’s not less but were you conditioned to think the type of people who cause this sort of pain to children should get a second chance of life? Really?

Rehabilitation for other crimes have shown effective.

If people are going to commit regardless of death penalty or life sentence, there must be some root cause(s).

Did you know that there are children who do the same thing to others children their age or younger?

I pointed that there are different cases, it's not a straight and narrow line. There are people who deserve the death penalty but not everyone. It shouldn't be the same blanket statement for everyone.

There are many cases of children being tried as adults for committing murders. It would go the same path if need be.

And that's really unfortunate because these kids are victims from the cycle of family of abuse and by the system itself. Kids that need guidance, support and protection but never had that opportunity given to them. Kids that have fallen through the cracks and joined groups because they need to belong. They are still kids, still developing.

Do you have children?

Yup and I still wouldn't change my answer.

So everything you spoke of today, would be the same statement you would say to your children if they openly told you someone assaulted or abused them?

What did I say that bothered you so much that you have to use a personal question? Because I could ask you the same thing in reverse. The fact that maybe rehab can be an alternative?

You didn’t answer the question. Does it make a difference once I place your children in the shoes of other children that suffered?

Okay. I'll answer since you think that's a proper way to do things.

I do think that rehab can be an effective intervention depending on the case.

Does that answer your question?

Not necessarily. I would fight for justice equally for any child in this world who has been assaulted or abused as I would for my own child because I personally know the pain and I understand how it feels to be an adult now while my abuser is walking around living their lives normally.

Yep. I would have been so happy to actually be protected by parents.

I thought my father would at least treat me as good as his patients and he didn’t even report what happened to me because he didn’t want to ruin his image I’m sure.

He was two different people at home vs “professor/counselor” mode and other people used to buy into that shit and eat it up.

But yeah... if you are supposedly helping kids heal from sexual abuse but don’t even help your daughter.

Ugh. Might as well have shot me then. That’s how it felt.

That’s why I wanted to kill him so badly. Legit thought about it.

As a mother I’d never let that happen. Even if I died trying I’d go after their asses.

Wtf 🤬🤯😤 speechless!!

Please tell me you managed to get help and support from someone else that believed you and also got justice!

Got nothing. Took me a decade to tell my mom about the incident.

I’ve been through therapy off and on for I think about 7 years total at this point and I’ve improved quite a bit. It’s still hard for me to trust people and I was fiercely self protective and detached in my relationships. To the point of being very cruel to be honest. Very reactive.

The trust issues and feeling like I am the only person I can ever fully trust vs simultaneous need to find someone protective to “save me” has been a struggle.

The guy was in his 30s I’m guessing maybbbbe early 40s. I often wonder what happened after that and if he did it to other girls. I hope he dies of Covid too. 😂

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Wow! 10 years is too long to repress that, so much damage would’ve been done to you psychologically. Your dad is even worse imo even without his professional hat on, his first and utmost importance is your safety even if it’s a small scratch let alone anything this vile 😠

I get the wanting to be in a relationship with someone that will be protective, I know of someone who is a victim and she’d love a doctor boyfriend... I get why that is. Naturally associating them with care and she’d feel protected.



Sadly the culprit probably has done it again but I really hope somebody has reported him.

The onus is on the rest of us as a society to make sure we get better at looking for the signs, or breaking the vicious cycle at the very least.

Ofc the victims are entitled to express their anger and have a voice, hope most of them can eventually get to the place where Jag is and not steal anymore of their life 😊

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Was wondering what the causes for being a pedophile are, then realised although much is known of the effects not much can be said of the causes.

For anyone who may find this useful.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34858350

- one of several that aims to shine some light on it.

It is something I have known for a while it’s a mental imbalance, this also applies to schizophrenics and certain serial killers that don’t have the empathic ability to feel. There are parts of the brain that are not active or hyper active.

We’re still learning so much about the neuroscience as people are finally coming to realise even about the level of male/female parts the brain. Right now there’s no quick answer unfortunately ☹️

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Oh wow, that was emotional to read. I really hope he got let out after like a month or something. Completely understandable reaction. I hope he and his daughter are safe and living a happy life now. What an awful evil thing to go through. ❤️

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Unless i read it wrong he said he did 13 years straight?

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Oh wow, that was emotional to read. I really hope he got let out after like a month or something. Completely understandable reaction. I hope he and his daughter are safe and living a happy life now. What an awful evil thing to go through. ❤️

Unless i read it wrong he said he did 13 years straight?

Oh wow I must have glossed over that bit. That’s awful. 13 years is way too long. Sure it needs to be on his record and all that but surely mitigating circumstances should allow a reduced sentence.

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Ridiculous, especially as the shitty cops said they’d no grounds for arrest even though the poor little girl had to get stitches because the monster damaged her.

The law is an ass

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Oh wow, that was emotional to read. I really hope he got let out after like a month or something. Completely understandable reaction. I hope he and his daughter are safe and living a happy life now. What an awful evil thing to go through. ❤️

Unless i read it wrong he said he did 13 years straight?

Oh wow I must have glossed over that bit. That’s awful. 13 years is way too long. Sure it needs to be on his record and all that but surely mitigating circumstances should allow a reduced sentence.

Ridiculous, especially as the shitty cops said they’d no grounds for arrest even though the poor little girl had to get stitches because the monster damaged her.

The law is an ass

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Yeah this is the bit that shocked me and made me wonder whether it could really happen. Surely there would be some sort of DNA evidence?? Just seems like an utter travesty. But travesties of justice happen over and over every single day. Can’t imagine how that must have felt. So dark.

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Yes horrible and grossly unfair😕

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I honestly question Antiphates thought process on this topic. Something isn’t right.

He likes arguing the least popular side as a mental challenge. I can see what you mean but I think he’s just being his detached ass self that views all subjects as philosophical debates rather than emotionally charged topics.

As much as I understand why people would think I'm just a contrarian edgelord who argues for the sake of arguing and self-glorification and dismiss everything I say on this basis, I have to break the dream and say: it is not true.

If I speak up on such serious issues I usually do so to make a point. It's a point that not many people might like or share but it usually is one that is not completly without merit. People are free to disagree with me.

The reasons for speaking up can range from encouraging a discussion about issues or perspectives to helping people to improve their understandings of each others or just to improve arguments and standpoints by pointing out a weakpoint in it.

A big chunk of the rest of my post is basically brainstorming and looking for other peoples thoughts on things.

Call me delusional but I genuinely think everyone who will look at my post history with an open mind will understand this.

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Look at your post history and remember you used us all as lab rats in your little social experiment?

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Was wondering what the causes for being a pedophile are, then realised although much is known of the effects not much can be said of the causes.

For anyone who may find this useful.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34858350

- one of several that aims to shine some light on it.

It is something I have known for a while it’s a mental imbalance, this also applies to schizophrenics and certain serial killers that don’t have the empathic ability to feel. There are parts of the brain that are not active or hyper active.

We’re still learning so much about the neuroscience as people are finally coming to realise even about the level of male/female parts the brain. Right now there’s no quick answer unfortunately ☹️

Is little known about this subject because it's a sensitive topic?

I do know that environmental factors play a huge role in behavior and health.

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I don’t think it’s the topic that’s the issue, I’m sure everyone would agree if you can find a cure tomorrow then you’d take that action immediately.

It’s more about brain mapping and what part triggers what, it’s not a choice like creepy pervy men that looks at a young girls inappropriately 🤢 and should know better cos they are able to control their desire, or in a church setting where young boys are abused... those are the types that create a cycle. Where kids can then abuse other kids. (Nature v Nature of the sickness).

The peadophiles that are mentally sick and can’t control their urges are the ones lacking something in their brain development and under active. Not that I’m making excuses and some even find it repulsive themselves but cannot control it.

At least there are some medication to deal with schizophrenia but not a cure, there isn’t anything like that to sedate killers/ peados.

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I feel sad for the little girl.

Not only was her innocence taken away, she also lost her father for all those years.

He wanted justice and acted in anger, and I can appreciate that. But it was more about his need for revenge and ended up hurting his child further by being removed from her life. "I got revenge for all our little girls and their fathers."

He should have waited for the police to get the dna results back (usually a few weeks) and make the arrest.

But his daughters friends father... yeah its the people closest to you that will hurt your babies. Cause access.

Couldn't help wondering...🤔 Is this topic meant as a divergence... from domestic violence? Cause not so long ago - the OP made another topic where she tried to normalize domestic violence, or at least she acted as if it's normal even positive for the relationship... https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-often-do-you-box-your-partner--14246807/ Child abuse might take the cake at being more deranged - but domestic violence is not that far behind... Then again, there's no room for competition... cause ideally - both shouldn't exist.

Anyway, i'll pretend this topic was open by someone else... 🙄 Even so, there's to many outdated opinions in one place in one place... It's a painful/emotional subject, i get that. But let's face it... it's also a witch-hunt ("Guilty or not, who cares... KILL!!!🤬 KILL! 💀 KILL! ☠️ ). Now that's savage. Well, at least one of yous still knows how to use Google (in 2020). Cause the world changed - you religious freaks. Science is not like the Bible (stays the same), as it evolves - so do humans (or at least - evolution is suppose to imply a better understanding of things, a wiser and safer life style and so on...). That being said, here's the latest finding on this taboo subject...

"By studying the brains of convicted child sex offenders, neuroscientist Doctor James Cantor claims to have uncovered an important – but uncomfortable – fact: Paedophiles are born, not made.

"All the evidence suggests that paedophilia begins in the womb," Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett.

"A person does not pick it. And despite every kind of treatment that has been attempted over a century, nothing has been shown to be able to change these people from paedophiles into non-paedophiles."

Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes he'd studied MRI scans of convicted child sex offenders, and found a dramatic cross-wiring in the connective tissue of their brains.

"It's not that these areas of the brain are different in the paedophiles, it's that the network that they're supposed to form isn't connected properly," Dr Cantor explained.

"It's accidentally identifying things in the environment that should evoke a parental nurturant instinct, but instead it's provoking a sexual and erotic instinct."

Dr Cantor's controversial research concludes that paedophiles are products of nature, not nurture.

His research also reveals that the majority of mainly men with inappropriate sexual thoughts directed towards children don't want to act on their urges.

"Paedophilia is not a synonym for child molestation, which is how most people think," said Dr Cantor.

"Paedophilia is the genuine underlying, unchanging sexual interest in children (while) child molestation is the actual behaviour that harms a child."

Dr Cantor says most paedophiles first encounter their forbidden attractions during their teenage years, when their sexual desires stop being directed towards people in their same age group.

"The way that most of them describe it, it starts out like any of us, when they're 8 to 11 years old," he explained.

"They get crushes on people around their age. And then most of us, as we grow older, we continue to get crushes on and experience attractions to people roughly around our age, growing into adulthood as we grow into adulthood."

"But the paedophiles, however, when they start becoming 14, 15, 16, they're still getting crushes and finding themselves attracted to 8-year-olds. So it takes them until there's enough contrast between their own age and the people they're attracted to before they start realising there's something different about them."

As uncomfortable as Dr Cantor's findings are, the scientist says it's important to understand the mind of a paedophile. However that doesn't in any way defend their behaviour.

"I wouldn't make an excuse for a child molester. I have no reason to apologise for anybody who's caused anybody harm."

"But there's nothing about a paedophile who has never touched anybody, never watched child porn, who has a sexual interest pattern he didn't ask for and can't get rid of. What did he do wrong? What am I blaming him for?"

Dr Cantor also argues that rather than condemning people born with something they can't control, we need to rethink the way we deal with paedophiles by making medical and counselling treatment methods more easily accessible.

He says that right now, not enough is being done to ensure non-offending paedophiles stay that way.

"The thing that would most protect our children, is to help them…. To make it easier for them to come in. But if we're going to treat them like criminals, they will stay underground, and we're just back to where we started."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-minutes-paedophiles-genetic-study-doctor-james-cantor/42a85591-d1b8-4914-a766-10de5e279b62

The official site of above scientist: http://www.jamescantor.org/my-research.html

A Vimeo video where he details his research/discoveries: https://vimeo.com/33793616

A support group for pedophiles who aim to stay clean: https://www.virped.org/

What can i say, even if a pedophile is not guilty - that still doesn't mean I'm ok with them being around children. And that's just it... i'd rather live in a society where most pedophiles come clean and prove their innocence - by keeping their distance from children (or any profession that involves children). And hey, if your child turns-up to be a pedophile - do the right thing and integrate him in a support program (the best you can find for your location). Don't be a freaking hypocrite - and ignore that part (like most parents do), acting self-righteous only when its convenient. Or don't, was just trying to share some wisdom and my take on this subject - so do what you want with this info.

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I feel sad for the little girl.

Not only was her innocence taken away, she also lost her father for all those years.

He wanted justice and acted in anger, and I can appreciate that. But it was more about his need for revenge and ended up hurting his child further by being removed from her life. "I got revenge for all our little girls and their fathers."

He should have waited for the police to get the dna results back (usually a few weeks) and make the arrest.

But his daughters friends father... yeah its the people closest to you that will hurt your babies. Cause access.

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What if the cops had never made an arrest?

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Posted by modnar

Was wondering what the causes for being a pedophile are, then realised although much is known of the effects not much can be said of the causes.

For anyone who may find this useful.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34858350

- one of several that aims to shine some light on it.

It is something I have known for a while it’s a mental imbalance, this also applies to schizophrenics and certain serial killers that don’t have the empathic ability to feel. There are parts of the brain that are not active or hyper active.

We’re still learning so much about the neuroscience as people are finally coming to realise even about the level of male/female parts the brain. Right now there’s no quick answer unfortunately ☹️

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It's that lack of definitive agreement on what the causes are why OP's suggestion, tho it'll help momentarily quell the outrage on the issue to a degree, is likely to make it worse to deal with later.

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Notifications are broken 😐

OP and anyone else is entitled to speak how they feel, it’s a very emotional subject. But there is some understanding of inappropriate desire versus compulsive urges.

Noticed there’s hardly any input from the OP

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I feel sad for the little girl.

Not only was her innocence taken away, she also lost her father for all those years.

He wanted justice and acted in anger, and I can appreciate that. But it was more about his need for revenge and ended up hurting his child further by being removed from her life. "I got revenge for all our little girls and their fathers."

He should have waited for the police to get the dna results back (usually a few weeks) and make the arrest.

But his daughters friends father... yeah its the people closest to you that will hurt your babies. Cause access.

What if the cops had never made an arrest?

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Then decide to act.

But the fact that they took her to the hospital and got the rape kit (assuming because he mentions her being torn and needing stitches and them doing tests) there would've been dna evidence.

Our justice system is incredibly flawed but we should let the system do its job before acting as vigilantes. Poor girl got punished twice, lost her innocence and her father.

You all know where I stand on the justice system in this country.

While I agree that the emotions and anger regarding this topic and past life experiences are real, those same emotions generally lack rational thought and lead to a system of vigilante justice that bypasses the civil rights of the innocent (and even the guilty).

It is our duty as citizens of this country, to ensure that those accused of crimes are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

With that being said, what I WOULD change.. is protective custody for sex offenders in the corrections system. End PC for convicted sex offenders and house them in general population. The system will take care of it from there.

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I feel sad for the little girl.

Not only was her innocence taken away, she also lost her father for all those years.

He wanted justice and acted in anger, and I can appreciate that. But it was more about his need for revenge and ended up hurting his child further by being removed from her life. "I got revenge for all our little girls and their fathers."

He should have waited for the police to get the dna results back (usually a few weeks) and make the arrest.

But his daughters friends father... yeah its the people closest to you that will hurt your babies. Cause access.

What if the cops had never made an arrest?

Then decide to act.

But the fact that they took her to the hospital and got the rape kit (assuming because he mentions her being torn and needing stitches and them doing tests) there would've been dna evidence.

Our justice system is incredibly flawed but we should let the system do its job before acting as vigilantes. Poor girl got punished twice, lost her innocence and her father.

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Being rational doesn't always figure when it comes to your baby being abused. I'm a non violent woman but the thought of that happening to my kid makes me feel like taking the abuser out

Hopefully the daughter will come to realise her dad did what he did out of love for her, whether it was wrong or right?

Such a horrible and sad story 😥

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Posted by _Dazed

You all know where I stand on the justice system in this country.

While I agree that the emotions and anger regarding this topic and past life experiences are real, those same emotions generally lack rational thought and lead to a system of vigilante justice that bypasses the civil rights of the innocent (and even the guilty).

It is our duty as citizens of this country, to ensure that those accused of crimes are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

With that being said, what I WOULD change.. is protective custody for sex offenders in the corrections system. End PC for convicted sex offenders and house them in general population. The system will take care of it from there.

I would agree except the justice system doesn’t serve victims of sexual abuse, it serves the state. In fact, it usually ends up re-traumatizing victims themselves.

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You can't convict someone without evidence and testimony.

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Posted by neves

Couldn't help wondering...🤔 Is this topic meant as a divergence... from domestic violence? Cause not so long ago - the OP made another topic where she tried to normalize domestic violence, or at least she acted as if it's normal even positive for the relationship... https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-often-do-you-box-your-partner--14246807/ Child abuse might take the cake at being more deranged - but domestic violence is not that far behind... Then again, there's no room for competition... cause ideally - both shouldn't exist.

Anyway, i'll pretend this topic was open by someone else... 🙄 Even so, there's to many outdated opinions in one place in one place... It's a painful/emotional subject, i get that. But let's face it... it's also a witch-hunt ("Guilty or not, who cares... KILL!!!🤬 KILL! 💀 KILL! ☠️ ). Now that's savage. Well, at least one of yous still knows how to use Google (in 2020). Cause the world changed - you religious freaks. Science is not like the Bible (stays the same), as it evolves - so do humans (or at least - evolution is suppose to imply a better understanding of things, a wiser and safer life style and so on...). That being said, here's the latest finding on this taboo subject...

"By studying the brains of convicted child sex offenders, neuroscientist Doctor James Cantor claims to have uncovered an important – but uncomfortable – fact: Paedophiles are born, not made.

"All the evidence suggests that paedophilia begins in the womb," Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett.

"A person does not pick it. And despite every kind of treatment that has been attempted over a century, nothing has been shown to be able to change these people from paedophiles into non-paedophiles."

Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes he'd studied MRI scans of convicted child sex offenders, and found a dramatic cross-wiring in the connective tissue of their brains.

"It's not that these areas of the brain are different in the paedophiles, it's that the network that they're supposed to form isn't connected properly," Dr Cantor explained.

"It's accidentally identifying things in the environment that should evoke a parental nurturant instinct, but instead it's provoking a sexual and erotic instinct."

Dr Cantor's controversial research concludes that paedophiles are products of nature, not nurture.

His research also reveals that the majority of mainly men with inappropriate sexual thoughts directed towards children don't want to act on their urges.

"Paedophilia is not a synonym for child molestation, which is how most people think," said Dr Cantor.

"Paedophilia is the genuine underlying, unchanging sexual interest in children (while) child molestation is the actual behaviour that harms a child."

Dr Cantor says most paedophiles first encounter their forbidden attractions during their teenage years, when their sexual desires stop being directed towards people in their same age group.

"The way that most of them describe it, it starts out like any of us, when they're 8 to 11 years old," he explained.

"They get crushes on people around their age. And then most of us, as we grow older, we continue to get crushes on and experience attractions to people roughly around our age, growing into adulthood as we grow into adulthood."

"But the paedophiles, however, when they start becoming 14, 15, 16, they're still getting crushes and finding themselves attracted to 8-year-olds. So it takes them until there's enough contrast between their own age and the people they're attracted to before they start realising there's something different about them."

As uncomfortable as Dr Cantor's findings are, the scientist says it's important to understand the mind of a paedophile. However that doesn't in any way defend their behaviour.

"I wouldn't make an excuse for a child molester. I have no reason to apologise for anybody who's caused anybody harm."

"But there's nothing about a paedophile who has never touched anybody, never watched child porn, who has a sexual interest pattern he didn't ask for and can't get rid of. What did he do wrong? What am I blaming him for?"

Dr Cantor also argues that rather than condemning people born with something they can't control, we need to rethink the way we deal with paedophiles by making medical and counselling treatment methods more easily accessible.

He says that right now, not enough is being done to ensure non-offending paedophiles stay that way.

"The thing that would most protect our children, is to help them…. To make it easier for them to come in. But if we're going to treat them like criminals, they will stay underground, and we're just back to where we started."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-minutes-paedophiles-genetic-study-doctor-james-cantor/42a85591-d1b8-4914-a766-10de5e279b62

The official site of above scientist: http://www.jamescantor.org/my-research.html

A Vimeo video where he details his research/discoveries: https://vimeo.com/33793616

A support group for pedophiles who aim to stay clean: https://www.virped.org/

What can i say, even if a pedophile is not guilty - that still doesn't mean I'm ok with them being around children. And that's just it... i'd rather live in a society where most pedophiles come clean and prove their innocence - by keeping their distance from children (or any profession that involves children). And hey, if your child turns-up to be a pedophile - do the right thing and integrate him in a support program (the best you can find for your location). Don't be a freaking hypocrite - and ignore that part (like most parents do), acting self-righteous only when its convenient. Or don't, was just trying to share some wisdom and my take on this subject - so do what you want with this info.

I’m sure that they could eventually figure out a way to change the brain functions but until then. 🔪

Yeah it is interesting that abusers like to point out other people’s abuse.

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Actual child molesters, sure. All pedophiles - including the ones that prove to be innocent. Nah, not down for that type of witch-hunt. That's not that different than a feminist - wishing death to all men - just because some men happen to be rapists. Or why not... astrology fanatics who hate Geminis - cause their Ex happened to be a Gemini... 😏

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Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by BETYOURLIFEONIT

I feel sad for the little girl.

Not only was her innocence taken away, she also lost her father for all those years.

He wanted justice and acted in anger, and I can appreciate that. But it was more about his need for revenge and ended up hurting his child further by being removed from her life. "I got revenge for all our little girls and their fathers."

He should have waited for the police to get the dna results back (usually a few weeks) and make the arrest.

But his daughters friends father... yeah its the people closest to you that will hurt your babies. Cause access.

What if the cops had never made an arrest?

Then decide to act.

But the fact that they took her to the hospital and got the rape kit (assuming because he mentions her being torn and needing stitches and them doing tests) there would've been dna evidence.

Our justice system is incredibly flawed but we should let the system do its job before acting as vigilantes. Poor girl got punished twice, lost her innocence and her father.

Being rational doesn't always figure when it comes to your baby being abused. I'm a non violent woman but the thought of that happening to my kid makes me feel like taking the abuser out

Hopefully the daughter will come to realise her dad did what he did out of love for her, whether it was wrong or right?

Such a horrible and sad story 😥

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Absolutely, thats why I said I can empathize with his urge for revenge.

But sadly your also hurting your child further by acting rashly.

She will be dealing with the scars from this assault + the scars of not having her father around for all that time for the rest of her life.

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Posted by BlueStar

Posted by neves

Couldn't help wondering...🤔 Is this topic meant as a divergence... from domestic violence? Cause not so long ago - the OP made another topic where she tried to normalize domestic violence, or at least she acted as if it's normal even positive for the relationship... https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-often-do-you-box-your-partner--14246807/ Child abuse might take the cake at being more deranged - but domestic violence is not that far behind... Then again, there's no room for competition... cause ideally - both shouldn't exist.

Anyway, i'll pretend this topic was open by someone else... 🙄 Even so, there's to many outdated opinions in one place in one place... It's a painful/emotional subject, i get that. But let's face it... it's also a witch-hunt ("Guilty or not, who cares... KILL!!!🤬 KILL! 💀 KILL! ☠️ ). Now that's savage. Well, at least one of yous still knows how to use Google (in 2020). Cause the world changed - you religious freaks. Science is not like the Bible (stays the same), as it evolves - so do humans (or at least - evolution is suppose to imply a better understanding of things, a wiser and safer life style and so on...). That being said, here's the latest finding on this taboo subject...

"By studying the brains of convicted child sex offenders, neuroscientist Doctor James Cantor claims to have uncovered an important – but uncomfortable – fact: Paedophiles are born, not made.

"All the evidence suggests that paedophilia begins in the womb," Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett.

"A person does not pick it. And despite every kind of treatment that has been attempted over a century, nothing has been shown to be able to change these people from paedophiles into non-paedophiles."

Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes he'd studied MRI scans of convicted child sex offenders, and found a dramatic cross-wiring in the connective tissue of their brains.

"It's not that these areas of the brain are different in the paedophiles, it's that the network that they're supposed to form isn't connected properly," Dr Cantor explained.

"It's accidentally identifying things in the environment that should evoke a parental nurturant instinct, but instead it's provoking a sexual and erotic instinct."

Dr Cantor's controversial research concludes that paedophiles are products of nature, not nurture.

His research also reveals that the majority of mainly men with inappropriate sexual thoughts directed towards children don't want to act on their urges.

"Paedophilia is not a synonym for child molestation, which is how most people think," said Dr Cantor.

"Paedophilia is the genuine underlying, unchanging sexual interest in children (while) child molestation is the actual behaviour that harms a child."

Dr Cantor says most paedophiles first encounter their forbidden attractions during their teenage years, when their sexual desires stop being directed towards people in their same age group.

"The way that most of them describe it, it starts out like any of us, when they're 8 to 11 years old," he explained.

"They get crushes on people around their age. And then most of us, as we grow older, we continue to get crushes on and experience attractions to people roughly around our age, growing into adulthood as we grow into adulthood."

"But the paedophiles, however, when they start becoming 14, 15, 16, they're still getting crushes and finding themselves attracted to 8-year-olds. So it takes them until there's enough contrast between their own age and the people they're attracted to before they start realising there's something different about them."

As uncomfortable as Dr Cantor's findings are, the scientist says it's important to understand the mind of a paedophile. However that doesn't in any way defend their behaviour.

"I wouldn't make an excuse for a child molester. I have no reason to apologise for anybody who's caused anybody harm."

"But there's nothing about a paedophile who has never touched anybody, never watched child porn, who has a sexual interest pattern he didn't ask for and can't get rid of. What did he do wrong? What am I blaming him for?"

Dr Cantor also argues that rather than condemning people born with something they can't control, we need to rethink the way we deal with paedophiles by making medical and counselling treatment methods more easily accessible.

He says that right now, not enough is being done to ensure non-offending paedophiles stay that way.

"The thing that would most protect our children, is to help them…. To make it easier for them to come in. But if we're going to treat them like criminals, they will stay underground, and we're just back to where we started."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-minutes-paedophiles-genetic-study-doctor-james-cantor/42a85591-d1b8-4914-a766-10de5e279b62

The official site of above scientist: http://www.jamescantor.org/my-research.html

A Vimeo video where he details his research/discoveries: https://vimeo.com/33793616

A support group for pedophiles who aim to stay clean: https://www.virped.org/

What can i say, even if a pedophile is not guilty - that still doesn't mean I'm ok with them being around children. And that's just it... i'd rather live in a society where most pedophiles come clean and prove their innocence - by keeping their distance from children (or any profession that involves children). And hey, if your child turns-up to be a pedophile - do the right thing and integrate him in a support program (the best you can find for your location). Don't be a freaking hypocrite - and ignore that part (like most parents do), acting self-righteous only when its convenient. Or don't, was just trying to share some wisdom and my take on this subject - so do what you want with this info.

I’m sure that they could eventually figure out a way to change the brain functions but until then. 🔪

Yeah it is interesting that abusers like to point out other people’s abuse.

Actual child molesters, sure. All pedophiles - including the ones that prove to be innocent. Nah, not down for that type of witch-hunt. That's not that different than a feminist - wishing death to all men - just because some men happen to be rapists. Or why not... astrology fanatics who hate Geminis - cause their Ex happened to be a Gemini... 😏

https://i0.wp.com/media1.giphy.com/media/SU2cYrLbUnGXMzOEcZ/giphy.gif<div class="bqfade">click to expand

It's very different.....it's children's lives being ruined...how does that compare to astrology or feminism?

predators are highly manipulative and opportunistic. that is how you spot them. that is how they 'groom' be it a child or society in general into their web. they are infinitely devious. and generally, most sexual.... 'deviations' are hopeless cases. we can't normalize this like it's something you can drink advil for. they can't be fixed and they are far too dangerous to be tolerated. and this modern culture where you can get therapy for almost anything.... they will exploit.

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Posted by neves

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Posted by neves

Couldn't help wondering...🤔 Is this topic meant as a divergence... from domestic violence? Cause not so long ago - the OP made another topic where she tried to normalize domestic violence, or at least she acted as if it's normal even positive for the relationship... https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-often-do-you-box-your-partner--14246807/ Child abuse might take the cake at being more deranged - but domestic violence is not that far behind... Then again, there's no room for competition... cause ideally - both shouldn't exist.

Anyway, i'll pretend this topic was open by someone else... 🙄 Even so, there's to many outdated opinions in one place in one place... It's a painful/emotional subject, i get that. But let's face it... it's also a witch-hunt ("Guilty or not, who cares... KILL!!!🤬 KILL! 💀 KILL! ☠️ ). Now that's savage. Well, at least one of yous still knows how to use Google (in 2020). Cause the world changed - you religious freaks. Science is not like the Bible (stays the same), as it evolves - so do humans (or at least - evolution is suppose to imply a better understanding of things, a wiser and safer life style and so on...). That being said, here's the latest finding on this taboo subject...

"By studying the brains of convicted child sex offenders, neuroscientist Doctor James Cantor claims to have uncovered an important – but uncomfortable – fact: Paedophiles are born, not made.

"All the evidence suggests that paedophilia begins in the womb," Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett.

"A person does not pick it. And despite every kind of treatment that has been attempted over a century, nothing has been shown to be able to change these people from paedophiles into non-paedophiles."

Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes he'd studied MRI scans of convicted child sex offenders, and found a dramatic cross-wiring in the connective tissue of their brains.

"It's not that these areas of the brain are different in the paedophiles, it's that the network that they're supposed to form isn't connected properly," Dr Cantor explained.

"It's accidentally identifying things in the environment that should evoke a parental nurturant instinct, but instead it's provoking a sexual and erotic instinct."

Dr Cantor's controversial research concludes that paedophiles are products of nature, not nurture.

His research also reveals that the majority of mainly men with inappropriate sexual thoughts directed towards children don't want to act on their urges.

"Paedophilia is not a synonym for child molestation, which is how most people think," said Dr Cantor.

"Paedophilia is the genuine underlying, unchanging sexual interest in children (while) child molestation is the actual behaviour that harms a child."

Dr Cantor says most paedophiles first encounter their forbidden attractions during their teenage years, when their sexual desires stop being directed towards people in their same age group.

"The way that most of them describe it, it starts out like any of us, when they're 8 to 11 years old," he explained.

"They get crushes on people around their age. And then most of us, as we grow older, we continue to get crushes on and experience attractions to people roughly around our age, growing into adulthood as we grow into adulthood."

"But the paedophiles, however, when they start becoming 14, 15, 16, they're still getting crushes and finding themselves attracted to 8-year-olds. So it takes them until there's enough contrast between their own age and the people they're attracted to before they start realising there's something different about them."

As uncomfortable as Dr Cantor's findings are, the scientist says it's important to understand the mind of a paedophile. However that doesn't in any way defend their behaviour.

"I wouldn't make an excuse for a child molester. I have no reason to apologise for anybody who's caused anybody harm."

"But there's nothing about a paedophile who has never touched anybody, never watched child porn, who has a sexual interest pattern he didn't ask for and can't get rid of. What did he do wrong? What am I blaming him for?"

Dr Cantor also argues that rather than condemning people born with something they can't control, we need to rethink the way we deal with paedophiles by making medical and counselling treatment methods more easily accessible.

He says that right now, not enough is being done to ensure non-offending paedophiles stay that way.

"The thing that would most protect our children, is to help them…. To make it easier for them to come in. But if we're going to treat them like criminals, they will stay underground, and we're just back to where we started."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-minutes-paedophiles-genetic-study-doctor-james-cantor/42a85591-d1b8-4914-a766-10de5e279b62

The official site of above scientist: http://www.jamescantor.org/my-research.html

A Vimeo video where he details his research/discoveries: https://vimeo.com/33793616

A support group for pedophiles who aim to stay clean: https://www.virped.org/

What can i say, even if a pedophile is not guilty - that still doesn't mean I'm ok with them being around children. And that's just it... i'd rather live in a society where most pedophiles come clean and prove their innocence - by keeping their distance from children (or any profession that involves children). And hey, if your child turns-up to be a pedophile - do the right thing and integrate him in a support program (the best you can find for your location). Don't be a freaking hypocrite - and ignore that part (like most parents do), acting self-righteous only when its convenient. Or don't, was just trying to share some wisdom and my take on this subject - so do what you want with this info.

I’m sure that they could eventually figure out a way to change the brain functions but until then. 🔪

Yeah it is interesting that abusers like to point out other people’s abuse.

Actual child molesters, sure. All pedophiles - including the ones that prove to be innocent. Nah, not down for that type of witch-hunt. That's not that different than a feminist - wishing death to all men - just because some men happen to be rapists. Or why not... astrology fanatics who hate Geminis - cause their Ex happened to be a Gemini... 😏

Feminists do not want men to die. 🙄

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...😱

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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

You all know where I stand on the justice system in this country.

While I agree that the emotions and anger regarding this topic and past life experiences are real, those same emotions generally lack rational thought and lead to a system of vigilante justice that bypasses the civil rights of the innocent (and even the guilty).

It is our duty as citizens of this country, to ensure that those accused of crimes are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

With that being said, what I WOULD change.. is protective custody for sex offenders in the corrections system. End PC for convicted sex offenders and house them in general population. The system will take care of it from there.

I would agree except the justice system doesn’t serve victims of sexual abuse, it serves the state. In fact, it usually ends up re-traumatizing victims themselves.

You can't convict someone without evidence and testimony.

That may be true but there are significant reasons why that doesn’t happen in cases of rape and sexual assault that need to be considered. That’s why we need a different approach.

The responsibility is put on the victim when in all other cases it’s the criminal themselves that has to prove their innocence.

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The "criminal" shouldn't have to prove their innocence. It is the responsibility of the state to prove guilt.

You are correct regarding the tactics of the defense attorneys. It really is a shame. But you get what you pay for, and that's something the more affluent can afford.

But it works both ways.. I'm willing to bet that if you look up the stats, lower class POC are on the higher end of those actually convicted. A public defender is gonna get you a plea deal whether your guilty or not. There are a lot of "convicted" sex offenders out there actually innocent and just couldn't afford proper representation.

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Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by MyStarsShine

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by BETYOURLIFEONIT

I feel sad for the little girl.

Not only was her innocence taken away, she also lost her father for all those years.

He wanted justice and acted in anger, and I can appreciate that. But it was more about his need for revenge and ended up hurting his child further by being removed from her life. "I got revenge for all our little girls and their fathers."

He should have waited for the police to get the dna results back (usually a few weeks) and make the arrest.

But his daughters friends father... yeah its the people closest to you that will hurt your babies. Cause access.

What if the cops had never made an arrest?

Then decide to act.

But the fact that they took her to the hospital and got the rape kit (assuming because he mentions her being torn and needing stitches and them doing tests) there would've been dna evidence.

Our justice system is incredibly flawed but we should let the system do its job before acting as vigilantes. Poor girl got punished twice, lost her innocence and her father.

Being rational doesn't always figure when it comes to your baby being abused. I'm a non violent woman but the thought of that happening to my kid makes me feel like taking the abuser out

Hopefully the daughter will come to realise her dad did what he did out of love for her, whether it was wrong or right?

Such a horrible and sad story 😥

Absolutely, thats why I said I can empathize with his urge for revenge.

But sadly your also hurting your child further by acting rashly.

She will be dealing with the scars from this assault + the scars of not having her father around for all that time for the rest of her life.

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Yes in an ideal world, he'd have waited but his emotions where heightened, for good reason...

I actually think my dad would have done the same thing....

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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

You all know where I stand on the justice system in this country.

While I agree that the emotions and anger regarding this topic and past life experiences are real, those same emotions generally lack rational thought and lead to a system of vigilante justice that bypasses the civil rights of the innocent (and even the guilty).

It is our duty as citizens of this country, to ensure that those accused of crimes are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

With that being said, what I WOULD change.. is protective custody for sex offenders in the corrections system. End PC for convicted sex offenders and house them in general population. The system will take care of it from there.

I would agree except the justice system doesn’t serve victims of sexual abuse, it serves the state. In fact, it usually ends up re-traumatizing victims themselves.

You can't convict someone without evidence and testimony.

But this is a huge reason people don’t get collected for evidence and don’t press charges. Doesn’t make a difference:

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It's hard to argue against DNA evidence and bodily harm in the way of bruises, cuts, etc.

There needs to be more education for abuse victims, or at least positive reinforcement that it's okay to seek help. Bypass the police and go straight to the hospital and request a rape kit. A nurse should be the first person you tell.

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

You all know where I stand on the justice system in this country.

While I agree that the emotions and anger regarding this topic and past life experiences are real, those same emotions generally lack rational thought and lead to a system of vigilante justice that bypasses the civil rights of the innocent (and even the guilty).

It is our duty as citizens of this country, to ensure that those accused of crimes are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

With that being said, what I WOULD change.. is protective custody for sex offenders in the corrections system. End PC for convicted sex offenders and house them in general population. The system will take care of it from there.

I would agree except the justice system doesn’t serve victims of sexual abuse, it serves the state. In fact, it usually ends up re-traumatizing victims themselves.

You can't convict someone without evidence and testimony.

That may be true but there are significant reasons why that doesn’t happen in cases of rape and sexual assault that need to be considered. That’s why we need a different approach.

The responsibility is put on the victim when in all other cases it’s the criminal themselves that has to prove their innocence.

The "criminal" shouldn't have to prove their innocence. It is the responsibility of the state to prove guilt.

You are correct regarding the tactics of the defense attorneys. It really is a shame. But you get what you pay for, and that's something the more affluent can afford.

But it works both ways.. I'm willing to bet that if you look up the stats, lower class POC are on the higher end of those actually convicted. A public defender is gonna get you a plea deal whether your guilty or not. There are a lot of "convicted" sex offenders out there actually innocent and just couldn't afford proper representation.

Well you are correct in regards to innocence legally but in reality that ends of pitting the innocence of the victim vs accused perpetrator.

That’s why I support restorative justice. It’s victim centered rather than focused on the state just going through the motions.

Sexual assault is difficult to prove and because of associated situations and effects it’s often word vs word even in cases with physical evidence.

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Doesn't restorative justice require that an offender be convicted in the first place?

I never have, and never will be a fan of personal testimony. People lie. People are bought. People forget.

Imo, convictions should sorely reside on physical evidence presented. Not even prior history of the victim or defendant.

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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by BlueStar

Posted by _Dazed

You all know where I stand on the justice system in this country.

While I agree that the emotions and anger regarding this topic and past life experiences are real, those same emotions generally lack rational thought and lead to a system of vigilante justice that bypasses the civil rights of the innocent (and even the guilty).

It is our duty as citizens of this country, to ensure that those accused of crimes are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

With that being said, what I WOULD change.. is protective custody for sex offenders in the corrections system. End PC for convicted sex offenders and house them in general population. The system will take care of it from there.

I would agree except the justice system doesn’t serve victims of sexual abuse, it serves the state. In fact, it usually ends up re-traumatizing victims themselves.

You can't convict someone without evidence and testimony.

That may be true but there are significant reasons why that doesn’t happen in cases of rape and sexual assault that need to be considered. That’s why we need a different approach.

The responsibility is put on the victim when in all other cases it’s the criminal themselves that has to prove their innocence.

The "criminal" shouldn't have to prove their innocence. It is the responsibility of the state to prove guilt.

You are correct regarding the tactics of the defense attorneys. It really is a shame. But you get what you pay for, and that's something the more affluent can afford.

But it works both ways.. I'm willing to bet that if you look up the stats, lower class POC are on the higher end of those actually convicted. A public defender is gonna get you a plea deal whether your guilty or not. There are a lot of "convicted" sex offenders out there actually innocent and just couldn't afford proper representation.

Well you are correct in regards to innocence legally but in reality that ends of pitting the innocence of the victim vs accused perpetrator.

That’s why I support restorative justice. It’s victim centered rather than focused on the state just going through the motions.

Sexual assault is difficult to prove and because of associated situations and effects it’s often word vs word even in cases with physical evidence.

Doesn't restorative justice require that an offender be convicted in the first place?

I never have, and never will be a fan of personal testimony. People lie. People are bought. People forget.

Imo, convictions should sorely reside on physical evidence presented. Not even prior history of the victim or defendant.

Not necessarily. It can be a deal reached between lawyers to have them basically mediate to a conclusion before a conviction is settled on.

The problem with it being solely physical evidence is that it can also be tampered with AND it requires a newly traumatized victim to be able to 1) come to the conclusion they were assaulted which doesn’t always happen 2) submit to a police station or have access to an all hours hospital and then get stuck with the bills 3) not live with the perp or be in some situation where they are holding something over the victims head as blackmail which often happens.

It’s such a complex issue that what is logical doesn’t always end up being the conclusion of someone in that state of mind.

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I agree that it's a complex issue. A lot more complex that simply killing someone before they are proven guilty.

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Couldn't help wondering...🤔 Is this topic meant as a divergence... from domestic violence? Cause not so long ago - the OP made another topic where she tried to normalize domestic violence, or at least she acted as if it's normal even positive for the relationship... https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-often-do-you-box-your-partner--14246807/ Child abuse might take the cake at being more deranged - but domestic violence is not that far behind... Then again, there's no room for competition... cause ideally - both shouldn't exist.

Anyway, i'll pretend this topic was open by someone else... 🙄 Even so, there's to many outdated opinions in one place in one place... It's a painful/emotional subject, i get that. But let's face it... it's also a witch-hunt ("Guilty or not, who cares... KILL!!!🤬 KILL! 💀 KILL! ☠️ ). Now that's savage. Well, at least one of yous still knows how to use Google (in 2020). Cause the world changed - you religious freaks. Science is not like the Bible (stays the same), as it evolves - so do humans (or at least - evolution is suppose to imply a better understanding of things, a wiser and safer life style and so on...). That being said, here's the latest finding on this taboo subject...

"By studying the brains of convicted child sex offenders, neuroscientist Doctor James Cantor claims to have uncovered an important – but uncomfortable – fact: Paedophiles are born, not made.

"All the evidence suggests that paedophilia begins in the womb," Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett.

"A person does not pick it. And despite every kind of treatment that has been attempted over a century, nothing has been shown to be able to change these people from paedophiles into non-paedophiles."

Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes he'd studied MRI scans of convicted child sex offenders, and found a dramatic cross-wiring in the connective tissue of their brains.

"It's not that these areas of the brain are different in the paedophiles, it's that the network that they're supposed to form isn't connected properly," Dr Cantor explained.

"It's accidentally identifying things in the environment that should evoke a parental nurturant instinct, but instead it's provoking a sexual and erotic instinct."

Dr Cantor's controversial research concludes that paedophiles are products of nature, not nurture.

His research also reveals that the majority of mainly men with inappropriate sexual thoughts directed towards children don't want to act on their urges.

"Paedophilia is not a synonym for child molestation, which is how most people think," said Dr Cantor.

"Paedophilia is the genuine underlying, unchanging sexual interest in children (while) child molestation is the actual behaviour that harms a child."

Dr Cantor says most paedophiles first encounter their forbidden attractions during their teenage years, when their sexual desires stop being directed towards people in their same age group.

"The way that most of them describe it, it starts out like any of us, when they're 8 to 11 years old," he explained.

"They get crushes on people around their age. And then most of us, as we grow older, we continue to get crushes on and experience attractions to people roughly around our age, growing into adulthood as we grow into adulthood."

"But the paedophiles, however, when they start becoming 14, 15, 16, they're still getting crushes and finding themselves attracted to 8-year-olds. So it takes them until there's enough contrast between their own age and the people they're attracted to before they start realising there's something different about them."

As uncomfortable as Dr Cantor's findings are, the scientist says it's important to understand the mind of a paedophile. However that doesn't in any way defend their behaviour.

"I wouldn't make an excuse for a child molester. I have no reason to apologise for anybody who's caused anybody harm."

"But there's nothing about a paedophile who has never touched anybody, never watched child porn, who has a sexual interest pattern he didn't ask for and can't get rid of. What did he do wrong? What am I blaming him for?"

Dr Cantor also argues that rather than condemning people born with something they can't control, we need to rethink the way we deal with paedophiles by making medical and counselling treatment methods more easily accessible.

He says that right now, not enough is being done to ensure non-offending paedophiles stay that way.

"The thing that would most protect our children, is to help them…. To make it easier for them to come in. But if we're going to treat them like criminals, they will stay underground, and we're just back to where we started."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-minutes-paedophiles-genetic-study-doctor-james-cantor/42a85591-d1b8-4914-a766-10de5e279b62

The official site of above scientist: http://www.jamescantor.org/my-research.html

A Vimeo video where he details his research/discoveries: https://vimeo.com/33793616

A support group for pedophiles who aim to stay clean: https://www.virped.org/

What can i say, even if a pedophile is not guilty - that still doesn't mean I'm ok with them being around children. And that's just it... i'd rather live in a society where most pedophiles come clean and prove their innocence - by keeping their distance from children (or any profession that involves children). And hey, if your child turns-up to be a pedophile - do the right thing and integrate him in a support program (the best you can find for your location). Don't be a freaking hypocrite - and ignore that part (like most parents do), acting self-righteous only when its convenient. Or don't, was just trying to share some wisdom and my take on this subject - so do what you want with this info.

I’m sure that they could eventually figure out a way to change the brain functions but until then. 🔪

Yeah it is interesting that abusers like to point out other people’s abuse.

Actual child molesters, sure. All pedophiles - including the ones that prove to be innocent. Nah, not down for that type of witch-hunt. That's not that different than a feminist - wishing death to all men - just because some men happen to be rapists. Or why not... astrology fanatics who hate Geminis - cause their Ex happened to be a Gemini... 😏

It's very different.....it's children's lives being ruined...how does that compare to astrology or feminism?

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By pedophiles whom also happen to be child molesters (read above articles or do some research yourself). Apparently (as proven in above studies), there's two types of pedophiles (or more?). One is more prone to become sex offenders (pedophilia is not the only that's wrong with them) - the others are not (same as "most people" who don't become rapists - just because they feel sexual attraction for x or y). The difference between the two - is actually visible on a MRI scan (the sex-offender pedophiles - seem to have a different wiring compared to non-offender pedophiles - they're also more prone to other bad habits).

"In 2016, a study found that the brains of paedophiles who have never attacked a child are different from those who have. The finding was based on MRI scans of 40 child abusers and 37 paedophiles never convicted of sexually assaulting a child. The brain of 40 “healthy non-offending” people were used as controls during the study led by Dr Christian Kaergel from the University of Duisburg-Essen in Germany."

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Couldn't help wondering...🤔 Is this topic meant as a divergence... from domestic violence? Cause not so long ago - the OP made another topic where she tried to normalize domestic violence, or at least she acted as if it's normal even positive for the relationship... https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/relationships/how-often-do-you-box-your-partner--14246807/ Child abuse might take the cake at being more deranged - but domestic violence is not that far behind... Then again, there's no room for competition... cause ideally - both shouldn't exist.

Anyway, i'll pretend this topic was open by someone else... 🙄 Even so, there's to many outdated opinions in one place in one place... It's a painful/emotional subject, i get that. But let's face it... it's also a witch-hunt ("Guilty or not, who cares... KILL!!!🤬 KILL! 💀 KILL! ☠️ ). Now that's savage. Well, at least one of yous still knows how to use Google (in 2020). Cause the world changed - you religious freaks. Science is not like the Bible (stays the same), as it evolves - so do humans (or at least - evolution is suppose to imply a better understanding of things, a wiser and safer life style and so on...). That being said, here's the latest finding on this taboo subject...

"By studying the brains of convicted child sex offenders, neuroscientist Doctor James Cantor claims to have uncovered an important – but uncomfortable – fact: Paedophiles are born, not made.

"All the evidence suggests that paedophilia begins in the womb," Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett.

"A person does not pick it. And despite every kind of treatment that has been attempted over a century, nothing has been shown to be able to change these people from paedophiles into non-paedophiles."

Dr Cantor told 60 Minutes he'd studied MRI scans of convicted child sex offenders, and found a dramatic cross-wiring in the connective tissue of their brains.

"It's not that these areas of the brain are different in the paedophiles, it's that the network that they're supposed to form isn't connected properly," Dr Cantor explained.

"It's accidentally identifying things in the environment that should evoke a parental nurturant instinct, but instead it's provoking a sexual and erotic instinct."

Dr Cantor's controversial research concludes that paedophiles are products of nature, not nurture.

His research also reveals that the majority of mainly men with inappropriate sexual thoughts directed towards children don't want to act on their urges.

"Paedophilia is not a synonym for child molestation, which is how most people think," said Dr Cantor.

"Paedophilia is the genuine underlying, unchanging sexual interest in children (while) child molestation is the actual behaviour that harms a child."

Dr Cantor says most paedophiles first encounter their forbidden attractions during their teenage years, when their sexual desires stop being directed towards people in their same age group.

"The way that most of them describe it, it starts out like any of us, when they're 8 to 11 years old," he explained.

"They get crushes on people around their age. And then most of us, as we grow older, we continue to get crushes on and experience attractions to people roughly around our age, growing into adulthood as we grow into adulthood."

"But the paedophiles, however, when they start becoming 14, 15, 16, they're still getting crushes and finding themselves attracted to 8-year-olds. So it takes them until there's enough contrast between their own age and the people they're attracted to before they start realising there's something different about them."

As uncomfortable as Dr Cantor's findings are, the scientist says it's important to understand the mind of a paedophile. However that doesn't in any way defend their behaviour.

"I wouldn't make an excuse for a child molester. I have no reason to apologise for anybody who's caused anybody harm."

"But there's nothing about a paedophile who has never touched anybody, never watched child porn, who has a sexual interest pattern he didn't ask for and can't get rid of. What did he do wrong? What am I blaming him for?"

Dr Cantor also argues that rather than condemning people born with something they can't control, we need to rethink the way we deal with paedophiles by making medical and counselling treatment methods more easily accessible.

He says that right now, not enough is being done to ensure non-offending paedophiles stay that way.

"The thing that would most protect our children, is to help them…. To make it easier for them to come in. But if we're going to treat them like criminals, they will stay underground, and we're just back to where we started."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/60-minutes-paedophiles-genetic-study-doctor-james-cantor/42a85591-d1b8-4914-a766-10de5e279b62

The official site of above scientist: http://www.jamescantor.org/my-research.html

A Vimeo video where he details his research/discoveries: https://vimeo.com/33793616

A support group for pedophiles who aim to stay clean: https://www.virped.org/

What can i say, even if a pedophile is not guilty - that still doesn't mean I'm ok with them being around children. And that's just it... i'd rather live in a society where most pedophiles come clean and prove their innocence - by keeping their distance from children (or any profession that involves children). And hey, if your child turns-up to be a pedophile - do the right thing and integrate him in a support program (the best you can find for your location). Don't be a freaking hypocrite - and ignore that part (like most parents do), acting self-righteous only when its convenient. Or don't, was just trying to share some wisdom and my take on this subject - so do what you want with this info.

I’m sure that they could eventually figure out a way to change the brain functions but until then. 🔪

Yeah it is interesting that abusers like to point out other people’s abuse.

Actual child molesters, sure. All pedophiles - including the ones that prove to be innocent. Nah, not down for that type of witch-hunt. That's not that different than a feminist - wishing death to all men - just because some men happen to be rapists. Or why not... astrology fanatics who hate Geminis - cause their Ex happened to be a Gemini... 😏

Feminists do not want men to die. 🙄

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Some rando on twitter being facetious doesn’t mean the whole of feminism supports the murder of men.

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2 people quoted me saying pedophiles are put into protective custody in prison/jail and add safe from other prisoners, so this is a response to them

It's true that that happens, but Idk if it's as common as you guys might think it is (it could also happen more than I think it does too). The way correctional officers treat inmates guilty of your standard crimes and allow to happen to them is often pretty fucked up, so imagine what the CO's think of pedophiles lmao. They want those sick fucks dead as much as anyone. I'm pretty sure you're brought into a holding cell before being transferred to wherever you're going anyways, regardless of what you're in for and you'll be with at least one other person. They'll most likely ask to see documentation of why they're in. And even if they don't, if prisoners in other cells nearby somehow heard or know that the person is a child molester, whoever is in the cell with him will have to fuck him up and try to kill him or he himself is going to be killed

I'm just saying, guards aren't going to break their backs protecting these "people". Correctional officers make "mistakes" all the time and there are ways to get to the predators. Law enforcement gets away with killing innocent people in broad daylight, they can get away with prison getting killed on their watch and far worse in prison

In state corrections it's the norm. The large majority of chomos are going to request PC while in classification, and even if they don't.. they'll most likely be placed there regardless.

The reason why they are still at risk of harm, is because PC also houses gang dropouts. Gang dropouts are placed in PC because they've been green lighted by the gang they dropped from. Sometimes that's just a ploy though, so of a chomo dies or is assaulted in PC, it's most likely from a gang dropout that isn't really a dropout. They are still very much a part of the gang and were sent to PC by the gang with a purpose.

Jail is different. Chomos are most vulnerable to attack while being transferred between facilities, which in most cases involves being housed at a jail temporarily as a DOC commit. Jail classification is a joke and I'll leave it at that.

In general though, Chomos are quite safe in state pens. Most other convicts just want to do their time, and unless you're gang affiliated, aren't going to risk getting a longer sentence. Jail is a whole other story. Lots of folks with something to prove before they actually get sentenced.

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Posted by BlueStarActing on a fetish shouldn’t involve victimizing someone.

Once it reaches that level it’s just plain deviance.

You are correct, but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice.

It's like saying lets kill all people with serial killing predisposition. No crime no sentence. Basis of society.

Everything else is part of illogical cancel culture entitlement.

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What form of punishment would you suggest for people that have sex with children?

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in primary school i was sexually

abused by a family member for

a year and last year again i ...

please forgive my lack of ability to

coherently phrase my thoughts ...

if i may say it is my understanding that

love

forgiveness

& meditation

are the

elixir

one example of meditation is in the 1980s seven thousand people meditated with love and peace on their

minds and reportedly reduced crime by 72% globally all other factors for how this could be were ruled out

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J076v36n01_13

this has been replicated many times



nnn ... karmically ... spiritually ...

in our hearts lies the resolution

of all suffering in the world ((🤍))

(((💜)))

How are you now? So sad what you went through and amazing you have such forgiveness for what happened to you.

I struggle with that....any cruelty to children just makes me rage..

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Posted by xo-

in primary school i was sexually

abused by a family member for

a year and last year again i ...

please forgive my lack of ability to

coherently phrase my thoughts ...

if i may say it is my understanding that

love

forgiveness

& meditation

are the

elixir

one example of meditation is in the 1980s seven thousand people meditated with love and peace on their

minds and reportedly reduced crime by 72% globally all other factors for how this could be were ruled out

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J076v36n01_13

this has been replicated many times



nnn ... karmically ... spiritually ...

in our hearts lies the resolution

of all suffering in the world ((🤍))

(((💜)))

How are you now? So sad what you went through and amazing you have such forgiveness for what happened to you.

I struggle with that....any cruelty to children just makes me rage..

thank you for asking

i am okay i feel so blessed id like to give blessings away...

for a long time i didnt wish to face my childhood experience but after i shared with my dad i could finally rest... 10 years+ i struggled with frightening dreams and now they almost never occur... ive learned perhaps that nothing is meant to be kept secret how are you and thats okay because you care children who have been abused will be believed and that alone could feel like meeting sun for the first time ... like an injection from heaven (((💜)))

thank you @mystarsshine and all of dxp... for being there for me im not sure i would have found the strength or courage to speak without your guidance, kindness, and support

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The deep psychological trama it causes to victims can be life long. Some get past it but a lot don't. It fucks with a lot of people for the rest of their life in so many ways. It's real life evil.

To be fair, mental health was near non-existent in previous generations. There is help for victims. The point still stands though.

If people want to give pedos a chance with jail and psychological treatment after the first offense..fine. Repeat offenders and gross offenses need the death penalty. There is no excuse not to seek treatment and doing this is not acceptable in any level of society anymore. Even the most harden criminals kill pedophiles on sight. Paedophilia is a evil act.

@xo-

You’re very welcome ... good to see you back honey. Stay safe and well

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