Healthcare Workers During the Coronavirus Pandemic

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Coronavirus is an airborne disease, they should not be breathing the same air with the infected people. They should have a protective suit with an attached oxygen mask.

It's not "airborne". It's droplet spread, but can be aerosolized. At least that's as far as we know.
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Whatever!! it is a communicable disease so they can get infected if a patient breathes, sneezes or coughs on them.
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?


The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?
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I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?

I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.
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You simply want to be mad at someone but you don't know enough about healthcare to know where to place the blame. It's not as simple as you want it to be which is why you decide not to argue when the reality is presented to you.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your unwillingness to educate yourself.
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?

I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.

You simply want to be mad at someone but you don't know enough about healthcare to know where to place the blame. It's not as simple as you want it to be which is why you decide not to argue when the reality is presented to you.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your unwillingness to educate yourself.
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Nah, but way to be a condensending asshole like always 👍
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?

I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.

You simply want to be mad at someone but you don't know enough about healthcare to know where to place the blame. It's not as simple as you want it to be which is why you decide not to argue when the reality is presented to you.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your unwillingness to educate yourself.

Nah, but way to be a condensending asshole like always 👍
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"Not sure why you don't understand the concept"
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?

I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.

You simply want to be mad at someone but you don't know enough about healthcare to know where to place the blame. It's not as simple as you want it to be which is why you decide not to argue when the reality is presented to you.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your unwillingness to educate yourself.

Nah, but way to be a condensending asshole like always 👍

"Not sure why you don't understand the concept"
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Wonder why I said that? Oh that's right...when you or whomever else were trying to explain and discredit me re the process of filing for unemployment in my state after telling you exactly how it is here...you know, since Ive literally been a part of the process.
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?

I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.

You simply want to be mad at someone but you don't know enough about healthcare to know where to place the blame. It's not as simple as you want it to be which is why you decide not to argue when the reality is presented to you.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your unwillingness to educate yourself.

Nah, but way to be a condensending asshole like always 👍

"Not sure why you don't understand the concept"

Wonder why I said that? Oh that's right...when you or whomever else were trying to explain and discredit me re the process of filing for unemployment in my state after telling you exactly how it is here...you know, since Ive literally been a part of the process.
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You forgot to mention how the healthcare workers have already been exposed and their families...anyone that walks out their door is being exposed...you don't abandon patients and people...you figure out something but you don't abandon them. That's pretty fucked in the head and disgusting to do that.



Same question, if these patients were kids...would you abandon them too?

The job of the staff is to treat the patients. They are unable to do that if the administration isn't able to protect them.

If the administration is not able to protect them, they need to transfer the patients to a facility with the capability to do so.

You anger is directed at the wrong people.

The article you provided stated 34 of the 84 patients have C-19. If the staff has already been exposed as you say, coming in to care for the remaining 50 Covid-free patients puts those patients at risk. Do you want them to get sick and possibly die too?

I'm not going to argue with you about what's morally right and wrong. It's fucked and I don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. You made this thread to get your validation from your little click and to get a reaction from me. You got exactly what you wanted but only because I decided to engage in your bs. I clearly said...you don't abandon people...YOU FIGURE SOMETHING OUT but you don't just up and abandon them.

You simply want to be mad at someone but you don't know enough about healthcare to know where to place the blame. It's not as simple as you want it to be which is why you decide not to argue when the reality is presented to you.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your unwillingness to educate yourself.

Nah, but way to be a condensending asshole like always 👍

"Not sure why you don't understand the concept"

Wonder why I said that? Oh that's right...when you or whomever else were trying to explain and discredit me re the process of filing for unemployment in my state after telling you exactly how it is here...you know, since Ive literally been a part of the process.

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I'll give you that one
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I don't want to hear any of you bitch and complain when the staff walks out on your sick and dying grandparents, parents or heaven for bid your child/children. Not a single soul better say a word about it.

Where is your frustration coming from?
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I'm far from frustrated...you just better be ok with it if healthcare workers walk out on your family that's in need.
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I don't want to hear any of you bitch and complain when the staff walks out on your sick and dying grandparents, parents or heaven for bid your child/children. Not a single soul better say a word about it.

Where is your frustration coming from?

I'm far from frustrated...you just better be ok with it if healthcare workers walk out on your family that's in need.

I never said I agree.
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This wasn't just directed at you per se...In general, everyone better be ok with it. Everything easy to say when you aren't personally being affected.
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Now, I'm done debating my fucking morals on the subject.

When you start abandoning people, stop caring about others to save yourself...like you matter more than someone else...nah, that's fucked and we deserve everything that's came our way as humans.

We've seen how in the last decade only thinking about ourselves has played out...good luck on the future if that continues.
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Now, I'm done debating my fucking morals on the subject.

When you start abandoning people, stop caring about others to save yourself...like you matter more than someone else...nah, that's fucked and we deserve everything that's came our way as humans.

We've seen how in the last decade only thinking about ourselves has played out...good luck on the future if that continues.

But so why don’t you care that healthcare workers have been abandoned to die by the people who were supposed to protect them? Just feels like your empathy only reaches so far?
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Maybe read everything I've said ...I blame the whole system but just because they have fucked over our healthcare workers doesn't mean you go ahead and do the same. This ain't tit for tat.
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Now, I'm done debating my fucking morals on the subject.

When you start abandoning people, stop caring about others to save yourself...like you matter more than someone else...nah, that's fucked and we deserve everything that's came our way as humans.

We've seen how in the last decade only thinking about ourselves has played out...good luck on the future if that continues.


Goes both ways.

If you're on your death bed due to this virus, are you going to stop caring about those without protection and demanding they save you? Like you matter more than they do?
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I don't want to hear any of you bitch and complain when the staff walks out on your sick and dying grandparents, parents or heaven for bid your child/children. Not a single soul better say a word about it.

Where is your frustration coming from?

I'm far from frustrated...you just better be ok with it if healthcare workers walk out on your family that's in need.
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You better be okay with there not being any healthcare workers left alive when your family's in need.
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I don't want to hear any of you bitch and complain when the staff walks out on your sick and dying grandparents, parents or heaven for bid your child/children. Not a single soul better say a word about it.

Where is your frustration coming from?

I'm far from frustrated...you just better be ok with it if healthcare workers walk out on your family that's in need.

You better be okay with there not being any healthcare workers left alive when your family's in need.
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Ok dramatic. When was it said everyone is going to die from this virus? Oh...let me guess, you have the inside scope cause you're in health care 🙄.

And yes, I'm being condensending...taking a play out of your book 😉
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I don't want to hear any of you bitch and complain when the staff walks out on your sick and dying grandparents, parents or heaven for bid your child/children. Not a single soul better say a word about it.

Where is your frustration coming from?

I'm far from frustrated...you just better be ok with it if healthcare workers walk out on your family that's in need.

You better be okay with there not being any healthcare workers left alive when your family's in need.

Ok dramatic. When was it said everyone is going to die from this virus? Oh...let me guess, you have the inside scope cause you're in health care 🙄.

And yes, I'm being condensending...taking a play out of your book 😉
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"I don't want to hear any of you cookiemonster and complain when the staff walks out on your sick and dying grandparents, parents or heaven for bid your child/children."

Grandparents, parents, and children can be healthcare workers too.



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Now, I'm done debating my fucking morals on the subject.

When you start abandoning people, stop caring about others to save yourself...like you matter more than someone else...nah, that's fucked and we deserve everything that's came our way as humans.

We've seen how in the last decade only thinking about ourselves has played out...good luck on the future if that continues.

But so why don’t you care that healthcare workers have been abandoned to die by the people who were supposed to protect them? Just feels like your empathy only reaches so far?

Maybe read everything I've said ...I blame the whole system but just because they have fucked over our healthcare workers doesn't mean you go ahead and do the same. This ain't tit for tat.

Not at all tit for tat. It doesn’t really make sense to have unprotected healthcare workers because all it does is add to the problem. We need them alive and healthy in order for them to be able to help anyone. And each cog needs to turn for the system to function. I don’t know what you’ve said you’re referring to. Maybe you’ve been backed into a corner with this argument over hypotheticals, because it doesn’t really seem like you’d be the type of person who would want anyone to die where there was an option for them not to. I’m assuming we both believe the ideal situation is for there to be people in a position to help other people. And obviously the dead can’t help anyone.
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If all I got was some garbage bags to wear over my stuff, and one of those plastic face guards, and the administration wasn't getting me better equipment to keep me safe from getting covid. I can tell you right now, I am not going to be altruistic and sacrifice my health, my son's health, my husband's health, my family's health, etc... to take care of others. Not to mention the potential risk of making my kid an orphan, and my husband a widower.

I am not selfless enough to risk it. And I am not sorry about that. It may make me an asshole, but I will always prioritize them over strangers.
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Should they have to work and take care of patients without proper PPE to protect themselves and potentially bringing the virus home to their families?

unless we are in commie china no one "should have to work" period, but is easy to demand things from others, specially hard things when one's in front of a keyboard.

yet there has been health workers infected while using proper PPE, they only need one dumb mistake and they are carriers, and that happens a lot with overstressed workers.

I know a group that has been living together since the outbreak, living with their boss apparently, and most hospitals will separate the wards with patients/workers related to cover, and everything else, ofc those are big hospitals than can do that, so even with all the resources many steps are being taken, just giving PPE ain't solving anything.

would I be surprise if a health worker walk out on me? absolutely not, that's why I'm always very grateful and impressed by them, heck I honestly don't understand their mindset, and always reproach people for taking them for granted, so easy to ask for things, but so hard to put oneself in their shoes.
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Nope!!

Any nursing unit manager that willingly puts their staff out there without proper PPE is committing an essential illegal act, they’re also forcing their staff to break protocol and omit fault via contract in order to keep their jobs.

This is in a way blackmail...and is ethically against UNA here in Canada 🇨🇦.

This isn’t safe for nurses, colleagues, anyone in close contact in the facility, maintenance and cleaning staff, their families, public transport if they use it, who their family is in contact with as well as patients who could be showing mild or no symptoms who are then cross contaminated by a sick nurse or doctor or attendant.

PPE is essential to treating and keeping this virus at bay. Take a lot at the precautions taken in Korea.

Canada and the US have no excuses, we are wealthy countries and for the first time we’re not able to buy our way out of it. Bring production back...stop relying on the market being available. It’s a new era of trade and we’re no longer the best costumers.

Piss me off 😠
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I'd still work the job but would come up with creative solutions to my PPE issues.

As a Doctor, I took an oath.

this 😁, this is the mindset I don't understand.

commendable, but in such a self-detrimental way.

I would had never take the oath.
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I don't know one single physician that would walk into a room without PROPER PPE for patients with TB, Measles, SARS, Varicella, C.diff, MRSA, etc., oath or not.
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I'd still work the job but would come up with creative solutions to my PPE issues.

As a Doctor, I took an oath.

this 😁, this is the mindset I don't understand.

commendable, but in such a self-detrimental way.

I would had never take the oath.

He’s in a lab easy to say than when actually faced with your own death n possible family
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maybe so, but I have heard it from people in the front lines, specially nurses, which are the one working more closely with patients, it baffles me, although I would probably do the same, fucking virgo Venus.... 🙃 would never ask it from other though.

I would say that if you see health workers abandoning ship, you know shit have hit the fan.
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I'd still work the job but would come up with creative solutions to my PPE issues.

As a Doctor, I took an oath.

this 😁, this is the mindset I don't understand.

commendable, but in such a self-detrimental way.

I would had never take the oath.

I don't know one single physician that would walk into a room without PROPER PPE for patients with TB, Measles, SARS, Varicella, C.diff, MRSA, etc., oath or not.
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well I presumed he's exaggerating 😂 but the idea stand, a lot of health workers do wish they could treat their patients by any means necessary, many times affecting their own health, ofc that usually means overworking, bad eating habits and so on.

thankfully they know they can't just expose themselves to very contagious diseases, I mean I wouldn't care if they get infected for their own stupidity, but they will spread them all over too.

wouldn't ask then to do it either, not even for my family.
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I'd still work the job but would come up with creative solutions to my PPE issues.

As a Doctor, I took an oath.

this 😁, this is the mindset I don't understand.

commendable, but in such a self-detrimental way.

I would had never take the oath.

I don't know one single physician that would walk into a room without PROPER PPE for patients with TB, Measles, SARS, Varicella, C.diff, MRSA, etc., oath or not.

well I presumed he's exaggerating 😂 but the idea stand, a lot of health workers do wish they could treat their patients by any means necessary, many times affecting their own health, ofc that usually means overworking, bad eating habits and so on.

thankfully they know they can't just expose themselves to very contagious diseases, I mean I wouldn't care if they get infected for their own stupidity, but they will spread them all over too.

wouldn't ask then to do it either, not even for my family.
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STDs are a different story though.