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Let's switch lives.
Idk, sometimes I feel I have to bribe my friends with free food and drinks just to get them to leave so I can feel comfortable in public lol.


Most my friends do this to get me out. I can't help but think it's out of desperation so I normally decline.

I don't have good friends anymore. Nor a bunch of people around me other than family.

So, I live a free life as a wild thing and I blow whichever way the wind takes me.


That's unfortunate. I hope you eventually find some good friends in your life. Do you ever go out alone? I find it healthy to get out in public and realize not all humans are bad. Being around humans in public isn't bad, its the internet and media that makes us feel it is however. Its good you keep positive and seem to be happy with being solo and free thought.




I'm always out and about alone. Every day. I love it. Smells of freedom. Smells like me.

About not having friends I consider close that is something else. I don't think I'm an easy friend to have because of my nature.

It's probably just as healthy or detrimental to be your way of wanting people as my way is to want to explore the unknown alone.

But your way has contacts and mine has me. What do you think?

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My honest opinion is I look around and see a world built by humans. Together we have accomplished so much. At the same time some of these things we accomplished may have came from one single lone mind. I believe life, existence, and the universe itself has a beautiful balance controlling it. As long as people like us both exist, we can continue to exist. No matter what life finds a way to work together in any sense.

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Posted by Cancan26
first of all ...how did you put that awesome ass picture up there— 😄 ...and to answer your question I do almost everything alone ...I just like being alone ...even though I am very chatty and friendly ..I just feel relief at doing activities by myself
I was looking for a pic to describe being solo, and for some reason that picture made me stop say awwwww lol. Perfect pic to describe being solo or not imo. Anyway its a new awesome feature with creating a thread. I had to crop the pic a few times to get it to fit right, but you can use any pic you want as a thread picture.
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Wonder how many do a lot things alone because they really don't want to hear

input from others like...



... omg do always eat that much?

... omg I didn't know you got the porn channel?!

... omg why are you hanging out with that married guy?

... omg why are there so many Vodka bottles in your recycle?



People have a tendency to interfere with our pet vices. 😄

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Posted by Montgomery
Wonder how many do a lot things alone because they really don't want to hear

input from others like...



... omg do always eat that much?

... omg I didn't know you got the porn channel?!

... omg why are you hanging out with that married guy?

... omg why are there so many Vodka bottles in your recycle?



People have a tendency to interfere with our pet vices. 😄




This is why I love having a close group of friends. Preferably other misfits so we can all run around and suck at life together.

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Posted by Ram416
Yes I do most things alone.It's gotten to a point where, as I get older, I prefer it that way almost 24/7 now.


You and literally every other person on dxpnet lol. I'm actually somewhat shocked. This whole time I thought I was calling decent people soulless haters. In reality everyone truly is a soulless hater lmao!

Is this truly where all the lost souls was up? No one here rather do stuff with people, and as a human that came thousands of years thanks to teamwork that worries me. Or maybe I'm just too fixed and humans actually progressed to a point we can fully function alone. It just seems a lonely path.
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Yes I do most things alone.It's gotten to a point where, as I get older, I prefer it that way almost 24/7 now.


You and literally every other person on dxpnet lol. I'm actually somewhat shocked. This whole time I thought I was calling decent people soulless haters. In reality everyone truly is a soulless hater lmao!

Is this truly where all the lost souls was up? No one here rather do stuff with people, and as a human that came thousands of years thanks to teamwork that worries me. Or maybe I'm just too fixed and humans actually progressed to a point we can fully function alone. It just seems a lonely path.
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You keep going at this topic with the mentality of "people who do stuff alone have some grudge against humanity/ don't want to connect/ etc".

Some people, because they get so involved with humanity and interacting with others...need a lot of downtime. If we're talking connecting to people and not just passing time superficially...then I can't see anyone seriously claim they don't absorb others' energy and need to rest.

I'm saying this as the most extraverted person I know in my circle of friends.

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Wonder how many do a lot things alone because they really don't want to hear

input from others like...



... omg do always eat that much?

... omg I didn't know you got the porn channel?!

... omg why are you hanging out with that married guy?

... omg why are there so many Vodka bottles in your recycle?



People have a tendency to interfere with our pet vices. 😄




there's a porn channel?
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ChannelS... plural.



U S A



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Certain things I do alone and certain things I don't. And I can honestly say I like to see loners sit alone at a restaurant gorging.
I wish I could be like them. I'm literally so awkward I'm sitting alone in the parking lot debating if I should just go through a fast-food drive through to avoid looking lonely and odd, though my thought process and issues are as weird as they come.

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customer service has helped me with my small talk. that and just plain old time and practice. while i dont prefer to make small talk, i can. i just dont usually vie for such situations and do take that into account when considering what to do alone. sometimes i really dont mind the small talk. like someone else said, i also ride the introvert/extrovert fence so there really is no telling with me. it can be refreshing to just exchange small pleasantries but then again, thats assuming a certain time frame. when i would go to a bar alone after work, i generally kept to myself unless someone i really took interest in spoke to me directly. then, depending on how i feel i might say, "I'm sorry but I'm just trying to enjoy a few drinks alone after work. But thank you, it was nice meeting you." or "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" lol i like people more in spirts so im kinda like a cat. I'll come to you. lol
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I wonder how many of you peeps who talked about enjoying being by yourselves have Virgo/Pisces influence, be it placements or houses. It's very up our alley.

I enjoy eating out alone, going to the movies alone, going on vacation alone. Having parents with me to medical appointments felt like such an intrusion on privacy. I remember being little and the doctor would have my mother in the office too in case I'd be scared and I would need her around. All I wanted was for her or my dad to go outside and leave me be. Then there were the school ceremonies and festivities and the Leo just had to be loud and draw attention and it would mortify me. Just felt embarrassment for the way over the top behavior. My dad figured if he would just sit in the back row and not giving any indication he was there...I'd be fine with it.

I also enjoy big crowds, events, concerts, contests. Large number of people. Blessed with really good real friends too. Love meeting folks..the variety energizes me and I like people in general.

It's easy for me to connect with people so if I'm in a park and I've walked for a bit and feel in the mood for convo, I will strike a convo pronto.

I take in a lot of the surrounding area and get to process information better if I'm walking by myself than interacting with someone by my side. Another thing about me is I tend to go with the flow and that kind of randomness isn't that socially acceptable. I'm the type where I could walk with a friend to a concert and on the way have something really catch my eye and want to go to that thing instead. If I stick with the plans with my friend, my mood has already shifted and I'm not that much of a good company then...and if I just bail on them I'm rude. And then there's quirks about me that are solo pursuits only and the company of someone would ruin it for me. Like going to the airport at 5 am because I feel I need to have my morning coffee there and look at people coming and going and feeling happy for them. Always a good buzz with airports and train stations for me.



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Yes I do most things alone.It's gotten to a point where, as I get older, I prefer it that way almost 24/7 now.


You and literally every other person on dxpnet lol. I'm actually somewhat shocked. This whole time I thought I was calling decent people soulless haters. In reality everyone truly is a soulless hater lmao!

Is this truly where all the lost souls was up? No one here rather do stuff with people, and as a human that came thousands of years thanks to teamwork that worries me. Or maybe I'm just too fixed and humans actually progressed to a point we can fully function alone. It just seems a lonely path.
You keep going at this topic with the mentality of "people who do stuff alone have some grudge against humanity/ don't want to connect/ etc".

Some people, because they get so involved with humanity and interacting with others...need a lot of downtime. If we're talking connecting to people and not just passing time superficially...then I can't see anyone seriously claim they don't absorb others' energy and need to rest.

I'm saying this as the most extraverted person I know in my circle of friends.



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Tbh I don't really care lol. I've gone months hidden in my house alone. Given there are always humans, so I'm technically never 100% alone.

I don't feel people hold a grudge, I just feel technology and internet has driven people farther away from each other. This thread is proof of it. My friends are the same also, no one likes to do stuff together. Most people uncomfortable around other people, and uncomfortable about themselves.

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When I was younger, I always had to do things in a group or at least with one other person.

I prefer alone. I'm quite busy studying and with all my 4 year olds activities. At the end of the week, the hospital seems to have sucked up a lot of my emotions. Energy, etc. I just need to recharge from humans on my time off.

Hiking, shopping, listening to music on the floor in my living room, alone. I do like studying in this cool cafe. It feels social but I don't have to talk lol. Just headphones.

I go through periods where I do feel like getting out with people. Pretty much just have a small group of people I let in. It's just better that way. It also depends on who persuades me to go out, though. There's just some that are so fun to adventure with you can't say no
haha headphones are the best! i like you. i had a lot of libra friends growing up. i think we'd get along. big time.

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Yes I do most things alone.It's gotten to a point where, as I get older, I prefer it that way almost 24/7 now.


You and literally every other person on dxpnet lol. I'm actually somewhat shocked. This whole time I thought I was calling decent people soulless haters. In reality everyone truly is a soulless hater lmao!

Is this truly where all the lost souls was up? No one here rather do stuff with people, and as a human that came thousands of years thanks to teamwork that worries me. Or maybe I'm just too fixed and humans actually progressed to a point we can fully function alone. It just seems a lonely path.
You keep going at this topic with the mentality of "people who do stuff alone have some grudge against humanity/ don't want to connect/ etc".

Some people, because they get so involved with humanity and interacting with others...need a lot of downtime. If we're talking connecting to people and not just passing time superficially...then I can't see anyone seriously claim they don't absorb others' energy and need to rest.

I'm saying this as the most extraverted person I know in my circle of friends.




Tbh I don't really care lol. I've gone months hidden in my house alone. Given there are always humans, so I'm technically never 100% alone.

I don't feel people hold a grudge, I just feel technology and internet has driven people farther away from each other. This thread is proof of it. My friends are the same also, no one likes to do stuff together. Most people uncomfortable around other people, and uncomfortable about themselves.

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I don't know, that's not the reality I see here at all.

Uncomfortable about themselves can't be gauged from an outside perspective accurately.

I assume the same mindset applied with the invention of the telephone. Oh no, I can't see my friends anymore, I have to hear their voices through this...thing. The telephone is driving people farther away from each other.

I feel we get more easily drained than ancestors cuz there's way too many choices to be made and way too many stimuli on a daily basis. But people in the past didn't have the excuse of technology to not go out and interact with people. Shyness always existed, antisocial behavior too, etc...so it's just all another cop-out (with the exception of people who are really introverted and that is their way and they enjoy it).
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i adore this. this is exactly how i feel. one of the best decisions i ever made was taking an Air BnB hosts invitation to meet her at a friends co-op, a place where a bunch of people, mainly artists, live together openly. there were a couple of people performing on a makeshift stage in a barn. my host was a lovely 50-something yo woman who quickly introduced me to a few people and began mingling. i wandered around looking at everything before the performances and eventually wandered into the barn. it was very lowkey so i felt pretty comfortable. it made me feel like this:

Ships that pass in the night, and speak each other in passing, only a signal shown, and a distant voice in the darkness; So on the ocean of life, we pass and speak one another, only a look and a voice, then darkness again and a silence.

i took a seat to watch an AMAZINGLY animated accordion player (female) who sang some unique, energetic tales, and a one man band which was my first time seeing either and a complete joy. at one point a man about my host's age asked me to dance, so i danced. and i danced as if no one knew me, because they didn't, and i had the time of my life. and went back to my Air BnB room. alone. it was lovely.
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Yes I do most things alone.It's gotten to a point where, as I get older, I prefer it that way almost 24/7 now.


You and literally every other person on dxpnet lol. I'm actually somewhat shocked. This whole time I thought I was calling decent people soulless haters. In reality everyone truly is a soulless hater lmao!

Is this truly where all the lost souls was up? No one here rather do stuff with people, and as a human that came thousands of years thanks to teamwork that worries me. Or maybe I'm just too fixed and humans actually progressed to a point we can fully function alone. It just seems a lonely path.
You keep going at this topic with the mentality of "people who do stuff alone have some grudge against humanity/ don't want to connect/ etc".

Some people, because they get so involved with humanity and interacting with others...need a lot of downtime. If we're talking connecting to people and not just passing time superficially...then I can't see anyone seriously claim they don't absorb others' energy and need to rest.

I'm saying this as the most extraverted person I know in my circle of friends.




Tbh I don't really care lol. I've gone months hidden in my house alone. Given there are always humans, so I'm technically never 100% alone.

I don't feel people hold a grudge, I just feel technology and internet has driven people farther away from each other. This thread is proof of it. My friends are the same also, no one likes to do stuff together. Most people uncomfortable around other people, and uncomfortable about themselves.


I don't know, that's not the reality I see here at all.

Uncomfortable about themselves can't be gauged from an outside perspective accurately.

I assume the same mindset applied with the invention of the telephone. Oh no, I can't see my friends anymore, I have to hear their voices through this...thing. The telephone is driving people farther away from each other.

I feel we get more easily drained than ancestors cuz there's way too many choices to be made and way too many stimuli on a daily basis. But people in the past didn't have the excuse of technology to not go out and interact with people. Shyness always existed, antisocial behavior too, etc...so it's just all another cop-out (with the exception of people who are really introverted and that is their way and they enjoy it).
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I just find it sad is all. I like seeing people who feel the urge to stick together. Times have made us drift apart, and the need for humans becomes less and less the more we progress. In theory there will be a time absolutely no humans are needed at all. This kind of sucks for us, assuming we are all human here.

I can easily assume though when push comes to shove people will adjust be exactly like that. A positive or negative aspect can be added to any part of the spectrum. That's the beauty of life. I could easily find reasons why being solo has more positive attributes then a group, but I can easily find those reason for being in a group too.
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fuck it, i'm still not apologizing.

but i will gtfo since i won't agree with you.

i just had to let you know that i think the way you are presenting yourself is kind of lame.

you don't have to agree with me either.


I'm just being a smart ass. Obvously.

I can respect the honesty though. I'm honestly lame af.


i can't fucking hear you, speak the fuck up
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It's kind of hard over the internet. Maybe just read what I wrote in your head louder?

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I have a hard time doing things alone. I have a lot of anxiety about doing new things and going new places. The only time I feel comfortable going places alone is when I already am 100% sure where to go, what to expect, etc.

If I have to go to a new building I constantly worry about if I'll find the right entrance, if I'll have to sign in when I get there, if the inside will be confusing to navigate, if I'll have to knock on the door or if I can just walk right in, if I'll take the wrong turn, if I'll find parking, and all the little details in between.

I don't know why I'm like this, but I hate it. A lack of knowledge on anything creates severe anxiety. I need to KNOW things, I need to be able to form a detailed plan.

Surprisingly, my first time flying solo, I had zero anxiety about it. I guess navigating an airport isn't all that confusing, though.
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The technological environment that we have created really shields us and lessens our ability to actually socialize with other people on a real cognitive level.

It's why it's so common now to hear about people needing "time" to dip out after a couple hours of interaction with people. Where do these people dip out to? Their phones or computer to check their social medias and/or respond to text messages. How many people here stated they have liked to be alone, yet post on this site and interact with others constantly.

It's why it took me almost 2 months to get into grief counseling. 2 month wait to pay someone to talk about "feels" with. I live in a city of over 100k people, with hundreds of therapists- they were all booked. Why? Because everyone has a severe social anxiety disorder.or depression - It's because people are no longer capable of relating to one another on any sort of human level.

There have been several threads here- and studies really showcasing how many people in the states are on some form of medication for either anxiety, or basic depression. All these medicines do is mask the souls primal need to actually really connect with other people. (FYI, i'm not saying this in reference to the severe mental and emotional disorders, please take your drugs kids)

@soul I know alot of people are giving you shit, but i understand alot of where you're coming from. it sounds like you were raised with a sense of community and support not only for other people but for yourself aswell. When i got my wisdom teeth out i was told to take a cab, to and from- coming home to a empty house fucking sucked, ridding in a cab still drugged up fucking sucked- i now travel two hours to go the dentist with my mom. Consider yourself lucky that you family close by to do things with. Even if they are just the most basic of things- but don't anticipate or expect others reciprocating that sentiment.
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i adore this. this is exactly how i feel. one of the best decisions i ever made was taking an Air BnB hosts invitation to meet her at a friends co-op, a place where a bunch of people, mainly artists, live together openly. there were a couple of people performing on a makeshift stage in a barn. my host was a lovely 50-something yo woman who quickly introduced me to a few people and began mingling. i wandered around looking at everything before the performances and eventually wandered into the barn. it was very lowkey so i felt pretty comfortable. it made me feel like this:

Ships that pass in the night, and speak each other in passing, only a signal shown, and a distant voice in the darkness; So on the ocean of life, we pass and speak one another, only a look and a voice, then darkness again and a silence.

i took a seat to watch an AMAZINGLY animated accordion player (female) who sang some unique, energetic tales, and a one man band which was my first time seeing either and a complete joy. at one point a man about my host's age asked me to dance, so i danced. and i danced as if no one knew me, because they didn't, and i had the time of my life. and went back to my Air BnB room. alone. it was lovely.
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Abby, I thought this was an article excerpt at

first, but this is your experience isn't it?

(Still a bit sleepy here lol)

I love it.



But

What is an Air BnB? 😕

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i adore this. this is exactly how i feel. one of the best decisions i ever made was taking an Air BnB hosts invitation to meet her at a friends co-op, a place where a bunch of people, mainly artists, live together openly. there were a couple of people performing on a makeshift stage in a barn. my host was a lovely 50-something yo woman who quickly introduced me to a few people and began mingling. i wandered around looking at everything before the performances and eventually wandered into the barn. it was very lowkey so i felt pretty comfortable. it made me feel like this:

Ships that pass in the night, and speak each other in passing, only a signal shown, and a distant voice in the darkness; So on the ocean of life, we pass and speak one another, only a look and a voice, then darkness again and a silence.

i took a seat to watch an AMAZINGLY animated accordion player (female) who sang some unique, energetic tales, and a one man band which was my first time seeing either and a complete joy. at one point a man about my host's age asked me to dance, so i danced. and i danced as if no one knew me, because they didn't, and i had the time of my life. and went back to my Air BnB room. alone. it was lovely.


Abby, I thought this was an article excerpt at

first, but this is your experience isn't it?

(Still a bit sleepy here lol)

I love it.



But

What is an Air BnB? 😕




cheaper way to travel compared to staying in hotels

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Oh... like 'open air' or more like a hostel?

Thanks for the explanation.

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Posted by Nevermore

i adore this. this is exactly how i feel. one of the best decisions i ever made was taking an Air BnB hosts invitation to meet her at a friends co-op, a place where a bunch of people, mainly artists, live together openly. there were a couple of people performing on a makeshift stage in a barn. my host was a lovely 50-something yo woman who quickly introduced me to a few people and began mingling. i wandered around looking at everything before the performances and eventually wandered into the barn. it was very lowkey so i felt pretty comfortable. it made me feel like this:

Ships that pass in the night, and speak each other in passing, only a signal shown, and a distant voice in the darkness; So on the ocean of life, we pass and speak one another, only a look and a voice, then darkness again and a silence.

i took a seat to watch an AMAZINGLY animated accordion player (female) who sang some unique, energetic tales, and a one man band which was my first time seeing either and a complete joy. at one point a man about my host's age asked me to dance, so i danced. and i danced as if no one knew me, because they didn't, and i had the time of my life. and went back to my Air BnB room. alone. it was lovely.


Abby, I thought this was an article excerpt at

first, but this is your experience isn't it?

(Still a bit sleepy here lol)

I love it.



But

What is an Air BnB? 😕



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air BnB is a bed and breakfast service you can use where people rent out rooms in their own home or MIL housing or even an entire floor to yourself. so instead of staying at hotels, you stay with normal every day people who are generally fantastic hosts. the last lady i stayed with made her own fresh granola and had a beautiful garden with CHICKENS! ? my bff in San Francisco turned me onto it and very much prefer it to hotels. generally cheaper for better accomodations.

https://www.airbnb.com
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i adore this. this is exactly how i feel. one of the best decisions i ever made was taking an Air BnB hosts invitation to meet her at a friends co-op, a place where a bunch of people, mainly artists, live together openly. there were a couple of people performing on a makeshift stage in a barn. my host was a lovely 50-something yo woman who quickly introduced me to a few people and began mingling. i wandered around looking at everything before the performances and eventually wandered into the barn. it was very lowkey so i felt pretty comfortable. it made me feel like this:

Ships that pass in the night, and speak each other in passing, only a signal shown, and a distant voice in the darkness; So on the ocean of life, we pass and speak one another, only a look and a voice, then darkness again and a silence.

i took a seat to watch an AMAZINGLY animated accordion player (female) who sang some unique, energetic tales, and a one man band which was my first time seeing either and a complete joy. at one point a man about my host's age asked me to dance, so i danced. and i danced as if no one knew me, because they didn't, and i had the time of my life. and went back to my Air BnB room. alone. it was lovely.


Abby, I thought this was an article excerpt at

first, but this is your experience isn't it?

(Still a bit sleepy here lol)

I love it.



But

What is an Air BnB? 😕




air BnB is a bed and breakfast service you can use where people rent out rooms in their own home or MIL housing or even an entire floor to yourself. so instead of staying at hotels, you stay with normal every day people who are generally fantastic hosts. the last lady i stayed with made her own fresh granola and had a beautiful garden with CHICKENS! ? my bff in San Francisco turned me onto it and very much prefer it to hotels. generally cheaper for better accomodations.

https://www.airbnb.com
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Oh wow.

Sounds good.. but that is something I would

hesitate to do alone.

Id find the one weirdo out there.

😛

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fuck it, i'm still not apologizing.

but i will gtfo since i won't agree with you.

i just had to let you know that i think the way you are presenting yourself is kind of lame.

you don't have to agree with me either.


I'm just being a smart ass. Obvously.

I can respect the honesty though. I'm honestly lame af.


i can't fucking hear you, speak the fuck up
It's kind of hard over the internet. Maybe just read what I wrote in your head louder?


stop making excuses.

i still can't hear you

maybe just fucking state what you want? or stop crying?

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I want you to apologize, which you've stated you won't. Looks like we are on separate pages.

Guess there's nothing left but to agree to disagree. Everything else from this point is pointless.