Strange hiring processes

A friend of mine was just telling me how her department based hiring a candidate based on how well they got along with the other employees. ...which is fine on paper, I guess, but based on what she told me, it boiled down to "we could talk to one easier than the other, so the first one got the job."

It strikes me as so catty and stupid, tbh. "lol the girls thought you were great, they could gab with you all day and have easy convo! You're hired!" vs "So sorry, but the job went to the other candidate. The girls didn't have much in common with you and they couldn't talk much with you."

I told her that some people could cry discrimination based on that type of hiring practice since what determined getting hired wasn't based on who was the more qualified candidate. While I do understand the reason for doing this (yay team dynamics), it still sounds kind of fucked and so... high schoolish. They should be basing it on qualifications. "Both were equally qualified." ...so because your bosses couldn't decide, they left it up to you, a bunch of women who work in an office environment, to decide? "Oh we like her. She's easy to talk to?"

...

I just have a hard time believing that someone would find two candidates THAT equally qualified that it was a dead heat like that.



I've seen some interesting ways going about how to interview and the like, but this whole thing of leaving it up to employees to help decide? Odd. The only time I heard of something similar was when a friend of mine worked at a salon and the boss included all the employees in the deciding of who to hire. ...but that lady ended up being batshit crazy and catty too, so yeah.



Is this approach actually used in legit hiring practices though? It seems so... socially focused vs anything productive in a work environment, tbh. :/ Wouldn't employees be more concerned with "is this person qualified and can they do their job like we want to? instead of this approach? Of course you want your employees to get along relatively well, but work isn't social hour, ffs.

Usually when the hiring manager have doubts about choosing the best candidate they ask help from the supervisors or senior staff, but not from the other employees who are not in a senior position.

Letting the regular staff to decide is a big mistake. And it's even worst when candidates are hired according to their level of social skills and not according to their work skill sets or background experience.

Just because someone is quite at an interview does not necessarily mean that person is a bad colleague or a bad professional.

This is why we see so many bad staff hired. Bad hiriging decisions. Wrong choices.

Posted by rockyroadicecream
... "lol the girls thought you were great, they could gab with you all day ...

"So sorry, but the job went to the other candidate. The girls didn't have much in common with you...

... they left it up to you, a bunch of women who work in an office environment...

...but work isn't social hour, ffs.

Some employers value the opinion of their employees.

How a person fits in with a team's dynamic can have a major effect on productivity--

which you mentioned... and you would know that, working with (and bitching about)

'... a bunch of women' yourself.



Reducing people you don't know to "the girls"-- wtf Rocky, you sound like the two old farts

I work with who are costing us money hand over fist with their archaic Ways of Olde.

Gross.

Sounds as if the hiring manager is passing on the buck to the employees.

So let's say, 3 months down the road after the probation period is over, that new employee turns out be a raging unprofessional bitch who cannot work with the other employees, who is to blame? lol

"How a person fits in with a team's dynamic can have a major effect on productivity..."

This is only 1 aspect - it is an important one, but it is not the only one. People can put on a face for the first few months and become completely different after they feel they have settled in.

I think it is the hiring managers job to decide if the person is the right fit. He (she) should be aware of the needs and dynamics of the company.

I'm with Rocky on this one. I think it is a huge mistake to give the employees that much power and control of the hiring process. I hate to say this, but people are naturally territorial and competitive. Some may but the kabosh on a potentially great employee simply because they are feeling a bit insecure and threatened.

What kind of place does she work in? Clothing, restaurant, ect?

I'm thinking it's a strip club ?

Basically they want a yay-sayer, not a go-getter.

Their loss.

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Posted by rockyroadicecream
... "lol the girls thought you were great, they could gab with you all day ...

"So sorry, but the job went to the other candidate. The girls didn't have much in common with you...

... they left it up to you, a bunch of women who work in an office environment...

...but work isn't social hour, ffs.

Some employers value the opinion of their employees.

How a person fits in with a team's dynamic can have a major effect on productivity--

which you mentioned... and you would know that, working with (and bitching about)

'... a bunch of women' yourself.



Reducing people you don't know to "the girls"-- wtf Rocky, you sound like the two old farts

I work with who are costing us money hand over fist with their archaic Ways of Olde.

Gross.

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knowing how rocky's mind works with "other women"

i would want to change departments. it's scary. having someone bitch all the time about every move you make.

it's becoming like, "The Police, "every move and every breath you take" i'll be bitching about you....

Posted by oEUo
I wonder if DXP people could work in the same building.

Impossible.

The amount of tiers and cliques would drive most insane.

As for teamwork, better throw that out the window as well.

As for the ones who have lost their marbles, they just might set the whole place on fire. 😐

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Posted by oEUo
I wonder if DXP people could work in the same building.

That would be an interesting experiment.

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I agree. And i have a list of roles for everyone.

It just makes the staff to become progressively more and more stupid. It's literally inbreeding.

In regards to the OP, I would consider it highly unprofessional.

If this piece of information was verified on more than one occasion and your friend in question could move to another company without substantial consequences or damages to their own career. I would suggest that they do so, who knows what other dodgy work ethics they have going on in the other departments besides what is already known.

Is it legitimate? It would be hard to judge because the hiring department or those who work in it could always be motivated by many various factors.

Is it common place for such unprofessional behaviour to occur, unfortunately more and more so, yes.

But having social ettiquette and the ability to work with others is a qualification. Especially if they will be dealing with the public.

Having negative employee influence within the workplace will not only create low productivity it will also destroy a good team dynamic over time.

not saying your friend is that way. but being able to work and communicate well with others IS important.

I hire people and i too like the rest of my team to meet with the canidates, it helps to get anothers view of the person, sometimes people can only see so much about others. Having that input can be valuable, do i let it decide who i choose? Not always, but it does help.

That does sound a bit weird. As someone who isn't easy to talk to, I'd definitely never have a job if every company used that process.

rockyroadicecream is a cutie patootie

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Posted by rockyroadicecream
... "lol the girls thought you were great, they could gab with you all day ...

"So sorry, but the job went to the other candidate. The girls didn't have much in common with you...

... they left it up to you, a bunch of women who work in an office environment...

...but work isn't social hour, ffs.

Some employers value the opinion of their employees.

How a person fits in with a team's dynamic can have a major effect on productivity--

which you mentioned... and you would know that, working with (and bitching about)

'... a bunch of women' yourself.



Reducing people you don't know to "the girls"-- wtf Rocky, you sound like the two old farts

I work with who are costing us money hand over fist with their archaic Ways of Olde.

Gross.

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THIS.

Posted by justagirl
But having social ettiquette and the ability to work with others is a qualification. Especially if they will be dealing with the public.

Having negative employee influence within the workplace will not only create low productivity it will also destroy a good team dynamic over time.

not saying your friend is that way. but being able to work and communicate well with others IS important.

I hire people and i too like the rest of my team to meet with the canidates, it helps to get anothers view of the person, sometimes people can only see so much about others. Having that input can be valuable, do i let it decide who i choose? Not always, but it does help.

Precisely justagirl, you look at the whole picture instead of simply one feature when interviewing potential candidates. However, from what rocky has shared, they were hiring solely on who they had a better banter with. Which could in fact spell disaster down the line.

Good rapport and professionalism are two different things, some people are really good at having a rapport with many different people but it does not prove their work ethic to be professional. A good rapport does not always equate to an ability to work well in a team environment.

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Posted by justagirl
But having social ettiquette and the ability to work with others is a qualification. Especially if they will be dealing with the public.

Having negative employee influence within the workplace will not only create low productivity it will also destroy a good team dynamic over time.

not saying your friend is that way. but being able to work and communicate well with others IS important.

I hire people and i too like the rest of my team to meet with the canidates, it helps to get anothers view of the person, sometimes people can only see so much about others. Having that input can be valuable, do i let it decide who i choose? Not always, but it does help.

Precisely justagirl, you look at the whole picture instead of simply one feature when interviewing potential candidates. However, from what rocky has shared, they were hiring solely on who they had a better banter with. Which could in fact spell disaster down the line.

Good rapport and professionalism are two different things, some people are really good at having a rapport with many different people but it does not prove their work ethic to be professional. A good rapport does not always equate to an ability to work well in a team environment.

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Agreed.

Posted by Ram416
Sounds as if the hiring manager is passing on the buck to the employees.

So let's say, 3 months down the road after the probation period is over, that new employee turns out be a raging unprofessional bitch who cannot work with the other employees, who is to blame? lol

"How a person fits in with a team's dynamic can have a major effect on productivity..."

This is only 1 aspect - it is an important one, but it is not the only one. People can put on a face for the first few months and become completely different after they feel they have settled in.

Right-- and that can happen regardless of the

hiring process.

We're assuming this was the sum total of the

hiring process, but I'm not sure why...

Idk I think it's important someone's personality is a good fit...obviously it shouldn't be the main deciding factor but it should be a factor I think.

For example... I'm in design so naturally I work with all women and all A type personalities (typical of this career)... They hired this lady after me that was really timid and sweet and it just did not fucking work. She cried almost everyday. I wish for her sake they would have considered her personality difference before hiring her.

Not that she wasn't qualified or was bad at her job,It just wasn't a good fit

For all we know both candidates had the same exact qualifications so they hired the one whose personality was a better fit.

Plus maybe the position they were filling was previously occupied by someone who caused issues and had to be let go because they constantly were stirring the pot and fucking up the employee dynamic which in turn drove away buisness...

"The girls didn't have much in common with you and they couldn't talk much with you."

A "good fit" doesn't promote diversity or a culture of inclusion.

I'm weary and side-eying the term a "good fit." Can become discriminatory.

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Posted by rockyroadicecream
... "lol the girls thought you were great, they could gab with you all day ...

"So sorry, but the job went to the other candidate. The girls didn't have much in common with you...

... they left it up to you, a bunch of women who work in an office environment...

...but work isn't social hour, ffs.

Some employers value the opinion of their employees.

How a person fits in with a team's dynamic can have a major effect on productivity--

which you mentioned... and you would know that, working with (and bitching about)

'... a bunch of women' yourself.



Reducing people you don't know to "the girls"-- wtf Rocky, you sound like the two old farts

I work with who are costing us money hand over fist with their archaic Ways of Olde.

Gross.

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Bitch please. First off, fuck off?

Second, I'm not against employee feedback. I work for a company who highly values employee feedback.

It's WHAT this specific employer saw as "feedback," ex: some really trivial and basic socialization. You cannot base a choice off of a one time social interaction with your employees. How many times have you met someone who you got along with just fine initially, but in the long run, didn't?

Employee feedback is one thing, honey, but this fits more in the realm of a high school mentality and including employees in the hiring process, in THIS specific manner, is just poor management. It shouldn't be the employees who decide who gets hired. If the higher ups can't make those decisions themselves, then why the hell are they a higher up, you know?

I'd get it more if it was after hiring said individual and then after a few days of working, they ask employees how new hire is doing/what they think.

Posted by Secret
Usually when the hiring manager have doubts about choosing the best candidate they ask help from the supervisors or senior staff, but not from the other employees who are not in a senior position.

Letting the regular staff to decide is a big mistake. And it's even worst when candidates are hired according to their level of social skills and not according to their work skill sets or background experience.

Just because someone is quite at an interview does not necessarily mean that person is a bad colleague or a bad professional.

This is why we see so many bad staff hired. Bad hiriging decisions. Wrong choices.

Totally agreed. I don't understand how some of my managers hire the people we get. The last year or so it's just been wave after wave of what the fuck.

After I posted this, I realized I'd been on the receiving end of this stupid shit. I'd just had my first day of training and none of my tacky bitch coworkers had the decency to introduce themselves or really talk to me much while I was training. My trainer was an immature 21 year old who spent all the downtime gossiping and chatting with other coworkers, leaving me alienated (which is SUCH a no. I used to train at my old job and never did that with new hires). I had a manager pull me aside (who's equally immature and catty) and ask why I was so to myself and not talking much.

...well one, I'm new and don't know anyone. I'm not exactly antisocial, but a lot of people are quiet around those who they don't know/who are in a new situation. Two, you have a lot of assholes here who couldn't be bothered to help speed that along as far as opening up.

"Well we just want to make sure we made the right choice in hiring you. blah blah" More implications that I'd be terrible with customers.

...oh rly? I am fucking good at what I do and I was actually pretty shaken because I thought I was going to get canned and hadn't even been there a week or given a chance to show my stuff.

I barely get complaints, and am a server that they don't have to worry about. And I do my damned job. Needless to say, that logic was absolutely unfounded.

Also, our location is known as the "bitchy" location and I've learned since then that we have a lot of socially retarded assholes where I work. So it's lol worthy that they were trying to peg me as a questionable choice in hiring.

All because I didn't strike their silly asses as "social" enough with their bitch employees. *eyeroll*

This concept that my friend was telling me about is just walking a fine line between feedback and just having social cliques form and cause workplace problems, tbh. Having good dynamics between employees, that's fine. But to have them decide on this? No.

Posted by Deedee86
I think it is the hiring managers job to decide if the person is the right fit. He (she) should be aware of the needs and dynamics of the company.

I'm with Rocky on this one. I think it is a huge mistake to give the employees that much power and control of the hiring process. I hate to say this, but people are naturally territorial and competitive. Some may but the kabosh on a potentially great employee simply because they are feeling a bit insecure and threatened.

Dude, I've heard of some HIRING managers working this tactic. They're looking out for themselves and won't hire individuals who they deem as a threat to their own position. It's fucked haha.

Posted by pinkbird03
What kind of place does she work in? Clothing, restaurant, ect?

She works at a university.

...which explains it, if you think about it. University admin is... something else.

Posted by Capri-sun
A lot of companies are looking at a person's ability to work as a team. That's why the candidate that was easier to talk to was chosen.

Qualifications are becoming less and less significant.

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That's fine and nice, but a lot of businesses are going to see how that'll shoot them in the foot. It needs to be a fine balance between the two, tbh. This is where the employee is going to have to work on THEIR social graces.

I completely agree that an employee should have the work eithic and qualifications for the job, I also think its a requirement that you get along as well on a professional level and have interpersonal skills with co workers, its about developing a work culture these days, a good work environment is so important for businesses to thrive, you can see why we are getting replaced by machines lol....all it takes is one nasty cunt to ruin your day or your whole life....

I never take it personally id rather be paired with a business that im compatable with anyway..

One of my current jobs is the local pub and I really dont like it, I told myself id never work anywhere with poker machines again but the staff I work with are lovely and I hug everyone when I come to work and call them darl and babe and this pub is listed 3rd worst bar in NSW.

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Posted by brianafay
Idk I think it's important someone's personality is a good fit...obviously it shouldn't be the main deciding factor but it should be a factor I think.

For example... I'm in design so naturally I work with all women and all A type personalities (typical of this career)... They hired this lady after me that was really timid and sweet and it just did not fucking work. She cried almost everyday. I wish for her sake they would have considered her personality difference before hiring her.

Not that she wasn't qualified or was bad at her job,It just wasn't a good fit

I work with designers and architects as clients. Boy, these guys are a pain in the ass.

Even though I studied design myself, I'm so glad I went another way. I'd have ended up even more of a stuck up bitch than I already am lol

They make the worst clients.

shoot me.

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Big egos

Posted by TheLadyScorpio
In regards to the OP, I would consider it highly unprofessional.

If this piece of information was verified on more than one occasion and your friend in question could move to another company without substantial consequences or damages to their own career. I would suggest that they do so, who knows what other dodgy work ethics they have going on in the other departments besides what is already known.

Is it legitimate? It would be hard to judge because the hiring department or those who work in it could always be motivated by many various factors.

Is it common place for such unprofessional behaviour to occur, unfortunately more and more so, yes.

That's the first thing that came to mind

"Wow, that's actually really unprofessional."

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Precisely justagirl, you look at the whole picture instead of simply one feature when interviewing potential candidates. However, from what rocky has shared, they were hiring solely on who they had a better banter with. Which could in fact spell disaster down the line.

Good rapport and professionalism are two different things, some people are really good at having a rapport with many different people but it does not prove their work ethic to be professional. A good rapport does not always equate to an ability to work well in a team environment.

Exactly. How many times have any of us seen that group of coworkers who all get along famously, fuck around and not get anything done because they're too busy "getting along" and socializing?

Like I said, I get the concept of dynamics/work place productivity, but this extreme is just really stupid. I don't see a lot of companies doing something like this.

Posted by VenusAquarius
"The girls didn't have much in common with you and they couldn't talk much with you."

A "good fit" doesn't promote diversity or a culture of inclusion.

I'm weary and side-eying the term a "good fit." Can become discriminatory.

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Exactly.

All this said, I'm really curious to see how this new hire pans out for them. I wouldn't be surprised if I started hearing stories. If it works out for them, yay for them.

You leave out what kind of job position and organization this is, leaving it to appear as a black or white situation. I'm positive this friend of yours barely knows all the insiders.

Hiring is an investment decision, obtaining human assets. If the hiring manager decides to base someone's acceptance from employee feedback, that would fall under the manager's decision... not the employees' fault at all if shit goes wrong with them in the future.

Posted by LadyNeptune
For all we know both candidates had the same exact qualifications so they hired the one whose personality was a better fit.

Plus maybe the position they were filling was previously occupied by someone who caused issues and had to be let go because they constantly were stirring the pot and fucking up the employee dynamic which in turn drove away buisness...

The position being filled was someone going on maternity leave.

Posted by SassyKiwi
You leave out what kind of job position and organization this is, leaving it to appear as a black or white situation. I'm positive this friend of yours barely knows all the insiders.

Hiring is an investment decision, obtaining human assets. If the hiring manager decides to base someone's acceptance from employee feedback, that would fall under the manager's decision... not the employees' fault at all if shit goes wrong with them in the future.

One, I already mentioned where this was- it's a University setting, which explains a lot.

Two, I asked this as a broad question. Most people here seem to totally miss that when threads like this come up. I came across this situation found it odd, and wondered if this was common in hiring practices. This wasn't to be an open discussion about the specifics of this situation, but generally.

But I agree, it does fall back on the manager. If the higher ups realize this is the hiring manager's tactic in hiring and it backfires, then it's on them. But it's incredibly foolish and immature to do.

People who seem to confuse work place being a work place and not a socializing event won't understand why this is an issue, which has already been seen in this thread by some. You go to work, to work. Not make friends. If you make friends, cool. If not, whatever. You're there to do a job and get paid for it.

I'd also think that this approach would be hampering in the sense that your own employees aren't expected to deal with working with differing personalities that may not always be the most social. ESPECIALLY when it's mostly women. Some women find the stupidest reasons to not like someone and that could affect the decision as well. This friend in particular has dropped friends because she felt they were getting more attention from guys than she was and felt threatened by it. I wouldn't want her helping in deciding on hiring someone, tbh.

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Posted by brianafay
Idk I think it's important someone's personality is a good fit...obviously it shouldn't be the main deciding factor but it should be a factor I think.

For example... I'm in design so naturally I work with all women and all A type personalities (typical of this career)... They hired this lady after me that was really timid and sweet and it just did not fucking work. She cried almost everyday. I wish for her sake they would have considered her personality difference before hiring her.

Not that she wasn't qualified or was bad at her job,It just wasn't a good fit

I work with designers and architects as clients. Boy, these guys are a pain in the ass.

Even though I studied design myself, I'm so glad I went another way. I'd have ended up even more of a stuck up bitch than I already am lol

They make the worst clients.

shoot me.

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Lol yeah I've been told by vendors they love working with me because I am so easy going compared to others but I have my moments too. I'm easy till I'm not

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
I completely agree that an employee should have the work eithic and qualifications for the job, I also think its a requirement that you get along as well on a professional level and have interpersonal skills with co workers, its about developing a work culture these days, a good work environment is so important for businesses to thrive, you can see why we are getting replaced by machines lol....all it takes is one nasty cunt to ruin your day or your whole life....

I never take it personally id rather be paired with a business that im compatable with anyway..

One of my current jobs is the local pub and I really dont like it, I told myself id never work anywhere with poker machines again but the staff I work with are lovely and I hug everyone when I come to work and call them darl and babe and this pub is listed 3rd worst bar in NSW.

lol. That's what brings everyone closer together- "this place sucks so let's band together!" haha.

Like I've said, I agree with the focus on workplace dynamics and having everyone get along. It makes or breaks productivity in some places. But something else I thought of- if management is doing this, it gives off the impression that they're incapable of making their own choices and taking on the leadership role in deciding who gets hired based on their qualifications.

This approach just reminds me a lot of a sorority or some shit though. :/

(cue valley girl tone) "Like, omg guise, I just can't decide on who to let in! Both are a good fit here, but it's just soo hard to decide. Help me, kay??"

"Omg, I like A because she's pretty and we can talk about makeup all day!"

"Yeah, mee tooo! B is just weird and didn't talk to me much. She's not so easy to talk to. I don't like her!"

"Okay, we'll let in A then!"

(A ends up being a troll haha and B ends up kicking ass in another sorority).

Just.. whatever. I'd think there are better ways of going about this. I thought that's what 90 day probationary periods were for, you know?

It's also interesting seeing the feedback here. It's a little 50/50 on this concept.

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Posted by brianafay
Idk I think it's important someone's personality is a good fit...obviously it shouldn't be the main deciding factor but it should be a factor I think.

For example... I'm in design so naturally I work with all women and all A type personalities (typical of this career)... They hired this lady after me that was really timid and sweet and it just did not fucking work. She cried almost everyday. I wish for her sake they would have considered her personality difference before hiring her.

Not that she wasn't qualified or was bad at her job,It just wasn't a good fit

I work with designers and architects as clients. Boy, these guys are a pain in the ass.

Even though I studied design myself, I'm so glad I went another way. I'd have ended up even more of a stuck up bitch than I already am lol

They make the worst clients.

shoot me.

Lol yeah I've been told by vendors they love working with me because I am so easy going compared to others but I have my moments too. I'm easy till I'm not

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Hehe easy

Something else I think some seem to forget that just because you get along with someone on a basic level, such as this one time meeting in this example, doesn't necessarily guarantee they'll be a good employee/coworker, or vice versa. One first time meeting doesn't guarantee anything, so it begs the question "is it really necessary?"

I work with people who are good coworkers and I love working with them. If I have to team up on stuff, I'd choose them in a heartbeat. But I'd never hang out with them outside of work. I don't relate to them a ton on a personal level and while I like them as a coworker, I'm not a fan of them as a person.

On the flip side, I have people who I work with that I get along with famously but I hate them as coworkers. They're awful at their jobs. "I like them as a person, but not a coworker" is said about these individuals.

...and then there are those who are both undesirable to be around at work and outside of work. I just don't talk to them haha.

I dunno, maybe I just have a hard time accepting such a childish concept because I can compartmentalize at work. Go to work, get your shit done, learn to work around every day obstacles, such as differing personalities, and be done with it. Socializing is an added bonus, but if it's not there, whatever. I'm focused on getting my shit done and getting out.

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Posted by SassyKiwi
You leave out what kind of job position and organization this is, leaving it to appear as a black or white situation. I'm positive this friend of yours barely knows all the insiders.

Hiring is an investment decision, obtaining human assets. If the hiring manager decides to base someone's acceptance from employee feedback, that would fall under the manager's decision... not the employees' fault at all if shit goes wrong with them in the future.

One, I already mentioned where this was- it's a University setting, which explains a lot.

Two, I asked this as a broad question. Most people here seem to totally miss that when threads like this come up. I came across this situation found it odd, and wondered if this was common in hiring practices. This wasn't to be an open discussion about the specifics of this situation, but generally.

But I agree, it does fall back on the manager. If the higher ups realize this is the hiring manager's tactic in hiring and it backfires, then it's on them. But it's incredibly foolish and immature to do.

People who seem to confuse work place being a work place and not a socializing event won't understand why this is an issue, which has already been seen in this thread by some. You go to work, to work. Not make friends. If you make friends, cool. If not, whatever. You're there to do a job and get paid for it.

I'd also think that this approach would be hampering in the sense that your own employees aren't expected to deal with working with differing personalities that may not always be the most social. ESPECIALLY when it's mostly women. Some women find the stupidest reasons to not like someone and that could affect the decision as well. This friend in particular has dropped friends because she felt they were getting more attention from guys than she was and felt threatened by it. I wouldn't want her helping in deciding on hiring someone, tbh.

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I see where you're coming from. The separation of work environment from a socializing event can be applied to many desk/office jobs and customer service orientated organizations. But there's many others that have different and unique cultures (emphasize on a team or family environment, etc) which is why I don't see the hiring process that you're mentioning all that odd. I know for a fact nearly all weigh other factors, they can't solely be based on employee feedback. That's just impossible if it's a decently good paying position. You only allow potential employees to interact with your current ones if you found them a good prospect to begin with. It's not like they're making every applicant go through it (although that process itself could have its own benefits). For me excellence in socialization regardless of what situation I put you in would be more of an asset to me than perfect paper qualifications. That's only because the fields I'm concentrating on require heavy referrals and outbound marketing. It's all about the position and what it demands.

If people want to know how people "get along" in a work environment, you ask behavioral questions.

As a manager, I ask beharioral questions went the job description suits it.

When I interview, because I am a manager and seeking that position, all my interviews are behavioral. So, I eat, breathe and sleep managerial ethics, handling difficult people, etc. senario based questions. If I get asked technical questions more than behavioral, I know that I'm going to be a "coach" type manager instead of a manager in the true sense, which also says alot about the problems I might face.

It's not that hard. Sounds like poor, uneducated managers, and/or poor HR. The shit's textbook.

They need to ask behavioral questions.

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by The_eleventh_sign_11
I completely agree that an employee should have the work eithic and qualifications for the job, I also think its a requirement that you get along as well on a professional level and have interpersonal skills with co workers, its about developing a work culture these days, a good work environment is so important for businesses to thrive, you can see why we are getting replaced by machines lol....all it takes is one nasty cunt to ruin your day or your whole life....

I never take it personally id rather be paired with a business that im compatable with anyway..

One of my current jobs is the local pub and I really dont like it, I told myself id never work anywhere with poker machines again but the staff I work with are lovely and I hug everyone when I come to work and call them darl and babe and this pub is listed 3rd worst bar in NSW.

lol. That's what brings everyone closer together- "this place sucks so let's band together!" haha.

Like I've said, I agree with the focus on workplace dynamics and having everyone get along. It makes or breaks productivity in some places. But something else I thought of- if management is doing this, it gives off the impression that they're incapable of making their own choices and taking on the leadership role in deciding who gets hired based on their qualifications.

This approach just reminds me a lot of a sorority or some shit though. :/

(cue valley girl tone) "Like, omg guise, I just can't decide on who to let in! Both are a good fit here, but it's just soo hard to decide. Help me, kay??"

"Omg, I like A because she's pretty and we can talk about makeup all day!"

"Yeah, mee tooo! B is just weird and didn't talk to me much. She's not so easy to talk to. I don't like her!"

"Okay, we'll let in A then!"

(A ends up being a troll haha and B ends up kicking ass in another sorority).

Just.. whatever. I'd think there are better ways of going about this. I thought that's what 90 day probationary periods were for, you know?

It's also interesting seeing the feedback here. It's a little 50/50 on this concept.

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Uhm wtf kind of people are you surrounded by. Sounds like they've got pretty low salaries.

Posted by Gob_Shite
Also, good rapport doesn't always happen immediately - often, it develops over time.

And then you also have to factor in the fact that, during the selection process, certain candidates are good actors. Some are just better at bullshitting than others. One of the responsibilities of an interviewer or manager is to see through all that and not be won over by such pathetic tactics.

YEP.

I also remembered that this is the fine arts/humanities department at this university that she works for.

...'splains it all. I haven't really heard of major corporations doing this shit, which is why I asked here because I was curious if maybe this was a new tactic that was catching on or getting started.

I'm more familiar with the approach of 90 day probationary periods to determine "the right fit" and using other methods to create a good working environment. I've got a friend who works for a company that has a great work/life balance type of work environment and people generally get along well there. But that's because this company uses other tactics to help promote a good working environment- incentives, open floor work space, mini "social" things throughout the year, etc.

Hell, I work for a restaurant and WE do that stuff. Staff events/picnics, random food days as reward for reaching goals, recognition for doing well, getting guest compliments, etc. The douche employees weed themselves out because their shit catches up to them.

Posted by VenusAquarius
If people want to know how people "get along" in a work environment, you ask behavioral questions.

As a manager, I ask beharioral questions went the job description suits it.

When I interview, because I am a manager and seeking that position, all my interviews are behavioral. So, I eat, breathe and sleep managerial ethics, handling difficult people, etc. senario based questions. If I get asked technical questions more than behavioral, I know that I'm going to be a "coach" type manager instead of a manager in the true sense, which also says alot about the problems I might face.

It's not that hard. Sounds like poor, uneducated managers, and/or poor HR. The shit's textbook.

They need to ask behavioral questions.

It's the fine arts and humanities department of a university. I doubt they think like this.

I was talking to my brother about this and I was like holy shit, I forgot that this was the fine arts and humanities department haha. No wonder they're doing this dumb shit. Logic doesn't exist in places like that.

Fine arts and Humanities departments- "omg love, peace, and everyone get aaaloong!!"

Math and sciences- "Can you do this without fucking up?"

Posted by littlenanobyte
I wonder if there are other women who enjoy a man's presence exponentially more in the work place vs other females?

Does anyone else feel this way?

*raises hand*

Less drama and catty bullshit, that's for sure.

Posted by littlenanobyte
I didn't read all of the initial post, but being "easier to talk to" among a group of women is LOL. That just means, to me, the quicker the claws come out, the quicker it turns into a hostile environment.

I fucking cannot STAND working with other women for the most part. I have about 12 years of work experience and most of that time is associated with the cattiness of at least one female employee that went out of their way to make the environment a living hell for another female coworker.

I also think it's too fucking hilarious when I worked in a few salons, they ALL advertise as "drama free environment" Ya right all you bitches are evil. I kept to myself 100% of the time. One job I quit because I was being harassed about "you're holding your blow dryer weird and wrong" umm who the fuck cares, my clients walk out looking like goddesses. At one, I was talked to because of "failure to adapt to salon culture" LOL - this meant, "didnt agree to stay late to do a fellow stylist's hair for free." Since I was conveniently talked to the following day that I refused to stay late and do someone's hair for free.

I would not get this job in the OP. I am cripplingly introverted - INTP and I still find myself getting involved in bullshit on a constant basis (in the past) with GUESS WHO - females! And only females. My job now has been awesome and going well for the past year though, I can't complain.

Can't wait til I'm the severe minority as an engineer ??

Haha.

My brother pointed this out to me- you're creating a totally hostile work environment if you're allowing hiring practices to be made this way. There's a bit of social pressure and "fitting in" if you want to enjoy your work environment because you work with a lot of immature, catty bitches, which work SHOULDN'T be about, tbh.

lol @ the salon bit. Another friend of mine worked for one- same one I used as the example, and it was the same, stupid shit there. Like I said, her boss used this tactic and that place was a war zone amongst females.

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Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by VenusAquarius
If people want to know how people "get along" in a work environment, you ask behavioral questions.

As a manager, I ask beharioral questions went the job description suits it.

When I interview, because I am a manager and seeking that position, all my interviews are behavioral. So, I eat, breathe and sleep managerial ethics, handling difficult people, etc. senario based questions. If I get asked technical questions more than behavioral, I know that I'm going to be a "coach" type manager instead of a manager in the true sense, which also says alot about the problems I might face.

It's not that hard. Sounds like poor, uneducated managers, and/or poor HR. The shit's textbook.

They need to ask behavioral questions.

It's the fine arts and humanities department of a university. I doubt they think like this.

I was talking to my brother about this and I was like holy shit, I forgot that this was the fine arts and humanities department haha. No wonder they're doing this dumb shit. Logic doesn't exist in places like that.

Fine arts and Humanities departments- "omg love, peace, and everyone get aaaloong!!"

Math and sciences- "Can you do this without fucking up?"

oh you would be really surprised when it comes to science. that's exactly what happened at my university, nobody liked the guy who had the best score ever in history and they put someone else at the position that was open at the time. he sued them and won.

i have a close friend who worked at cern for 2 years at IT, her perception was that it was all about who kisses whose ass and who is good friend with who.

Haha, of course there will be politics everywhere you go. I'm just saying I see more of a "are you qualified and we choose based on qualifications" process with math and sciences vs fine arts and humanities generally having illogical people because "hippie" approach, you know? You're not really going to see "OMG DO THEY SOCIALIZE WELL?? LET'S SIT THEM DOWN AND SEE HOW MUCH THEY CAN TALK AND SOCIALIZE BEFORE HIRING THEM!" in the hard sciences all that often.

Posted by littlenanobyte

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by littlenanobyte
I wonder if there are other women who enjoy a man's presence exponentially more in the work place vs other females?

Does anyone else feel this way?

*raises hand*

Less drama and catty bullshit, that's for sure.

I think my problem is that I have more of a masculine energy when it comes to work or something. I do not feel compelled to make besties with my coworkers and come in and talk about my first date last night.

And women will pick up on your apathy and because that is so offensive to them, that you don't give a shit, they group up on you as the wolf pack again. Lol. I've never had these problems with male coworkers/bosses.

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Same here, I generally get along well with other women who are the same way.

I keep it civil at work, even if I can't talk about dumb bitch stuff like these girls (they're not women, face it). I can only do so much perceived drama queen shit before I lose my mind over such inane drivel.

Posted by littlenanobyte
I didn't read all of the initial post, but being "easier to talk to" among a group of women is LOL. That just means, to me, the quicker the claws come out, the quicker it turns into a hostile environment.

I fucking cannot STAND working with other women for the most part. I have about 12 years of work experience and most of that time is associated with the cattiness of at least one female employee that went out of their way to make the environment a living hell for another female coworker.

I also think it's too fucking hilarious when I worked in a few salons, they ALL advertise as "drama free environment" Ya right all you bitches are evil. I kept to myself 100% of the time. One job I quit because I was being harassed about "you're holding your blow dryer weird and wrong" umm who the fuck cares, my clients walk out looking like goddesses. At one, I was talked to because of "failure to adapt to salon culture" LOL - this meant, "didnt agree to stay late to do a fellow stylist's hair for free." Since I was conveniently talked to the following day that I refused to stay late and do someone's hair for free.

I would not get this job in the OP. I am cripplingly introverted - INTP and I still find myself getting involved in bullshit on a constant basis (in the past) with GUESS WHO - females! And only females. My job now has been awesome and going well for the past year though, I can't complain.

Can't wait til I'm the severe minority as an engineer ??

I want to INTP inside you.

Posted by littlenanobyte

Posted by rockyroadicecream

Posted by littlenanobyte
I didn't read all of the initial post, but being "easier to talk to" among a group of women is LOL. That just means, to me, the quicker the claws come out, the quicker it turns into a hostile environment.

I fucking cannot STAND working with other women for the most part. I have about 12 years of work experience and most of that time is associated with the cattiness of at least one female employee that went out of their way to make the environment a living hell for another female coworker.

I also think it's too fucking hilarious when I worked in a few salons, they ALL advertise as "drama free environment" Ya right all you bitches are evil. I kept to myself 100% of the time. One job I quit because I was being harassed about "you're holding your blow dryer weird and wrong" umm who the fuck cares, my clients walk out looking like goddesses. At one, I was talked to because of "failure to adapt to salon culture" LOL - this meant, "didnt agree to stay late to do a fellow stylist's hair for free." Since I was conveniently talked to the following day that I refused to stay late and do someone's hair for free.

I would not get this job in the OP. I am cripplingly introverted - INTP and I still find myself getting involved in bullshit on a constant basis (in the past) with GUESS WHO - females! And only females. My job now has been awesome and going well for the past year though, I can't complain.

Can't wait til I'm the severe minority as an engineer ??

Haha.

My brother pointed this out to me- you're creating a totally hostile work environment if you're allowing hiring practices to be made this way. There's a bit of social pressure and "fitting in" if you want to enjoy your work environment because you work with a lot of immature, catty bitches, which work SHOULDN'T be about, tbh.

lol @ the salon bit. Another friend of mine worked for one- same one I used as the example, and it was the same, stupid shit there. Like I said, her boss used this tactic and that place was a war zone amongst females.

Yep exactly! I like the beauty industry, I like to do hair and makeup, and I don't regret getting my license years ago. it's not something I ever wanted to make a career out of or anything, but the sheer bitchiness anywhere and everywhere makes the whole industry offputting to me. To the point where I have no desire to do anything in it anymore besides free lance every now and then. It's absolutely ludicrous. No amount of money is worth that.



Most of the female engineers that I have met, and the ones who study alongside me are cool as fuck. Education plays a huge role in behavior.

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EXACTLY. Especially if you have something that's more aligned to the hard sciences. It usually attracts personalities like that when it comes to women. Not to say it's 100% bitchiness free, but that's a trend you notice in that field. Education plays a huuge role, I agree.

Funnily enough, a good portion of the people who I've met or been friends with who were in the beauty industry were batshit crazy and really terrible people to try to get along with. Catty, immature, and generally just gross individuals in how they treated people in their lives. I know of some who are cool as fuck, but they're not uber common, it seems. The beauty industry does seem to attract a lot of underachievers and uneducated types though- a stigma I know isn't true for all who choose that path. But there are plenty there who keep that stigma alive. :/

Posted by littlenanobyte

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Posted by littlenanobyte
I didn't read all of the initial post, but being "easier to talk to" among a group of women is LOL. That just means, to me, the quicker the claws come out, the quicker it turns into a hostile environment.

I fucking cannot STAND working with other women for the most part. I have about 12 years of work experience and most of that time is associated with the cattiness of at least one female employee that went out of their way to make the environment a living hell for another female coworker.

I also think it's too fucking hilarious when I worked in a few salons, they ALL advertise as "drama free environment" Ya right all you bitches are evil. I kept to myself 100% of the time. One job I quit because I was being harassed about "you're holding your blow dryer weird and wrong" umm who the fuck cares, my clients walk out looking like goddesses. At one, I was talked to because of "failure to adapt to salon culture" LOL - this meant, "didnt agree to stay late to do a fellow stylist's hair for free." Since I was conveniently talked to the following day that I refused to stay late and do someone's hair for free.

I would not get this job in the OP. I am cripplingly introverted - INTP and I still find myself getting involved in bullshit on a constant basis (in the past) with GUESS WHO - females! And only females. My job now has been awesome and going well for the past year though, I can't complain.

Can't wait til I'm the severe minority as an engineer ??

I want to INTP inside you.

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I am ready for S&M with you 🙂

I keep to myself unless it's someone I know - meaning a woman. I get along with men much more than women in the office. The system the @OP described doesn't work because women can talk to another woman when they first meet - always - we have to be able to do that - but working with them on a daily basis in a business setting is completely different.

Once you get to know someone you see who, what and how they are. That is when I lose respect and when that happens, it's all over but the crying. I can deal with variable personalities if that person is helpful and smart enough to row their fair share but when you get some bytch that wants everyone else to do for her and wants to start a whole bunch of drama for notta, then it's time to throw her overboard and pick up a new one at the next dock.